"The Great Siege Had Ended" ~ The year that September 11 brought tidings of victory

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[Antoninus]

September 11, 1565 ~ When Islam took one on the chin from the valiant Knights of Saint John at Malta.

God be praised!

[nwrep]

There was another siege about a hundred or so years later, in the 1680s around the same time in September (10th or 11th), where the Siege of Vienna ended in Turkish retreat. Most historians mark that as the beginning of the end of Ottoman military supremacy over Christendom.

[Antoninus]

You are correct and I wasn't aware of that. Apparently, the great battle that broke the second siege of Vienna began on September 11, 1683.

The Battle of Vienna

[fidelis]

TURNING THE OTTOMAN TIDE – JOHN III SOBIESKI AT VIENNA 1683 (historynet.com)

[Ancesthntr]

The 1683 battle is the subject of Day of the Siege. Available on Amazon Prime Video and (I believe) Netflix.

[Antoninus]

Catholic history ping!

[Midnitethecat]

Good movie!

[jonascord]

For a novel about the Great Siege of Malta, The Religion, by Tim Willocks, is better.

There is something about Mattias Tannhauser... And there is a sequel, The Twelve Children of Paris, set during the St. Bartholomew's Day massacre, in 1572 Paris.

[Vaquero]

9/11/2001. I turned off the news this morning. I feel so much sorrow towards those destroyed by the Islamic scum who did this. But I don’t remember all the fuss and naming of the names as a kid in the 50s, over the Pearl Harbor attack.

That’s because we WON WW 2. The Japanese were utterly decimated. They begged for peace and have been good little boys (for the most part) ever since.

So what happened. Once again from Korea onward we decided not to win a war. Then we allowed our enemies to flood into the country as if THEY won and they’re here and they are staring at our throats. (Thanks Bushes)

American politics is so stupid and subservient to globalists as to infuriate the populace and make them have endless memorials over an attack that was by appearance the day America lost its sovereignty.

[PapaBear3625]

You are correct and I wasn't aware of that. Apparently, the great battle that broke the second siege of Vienna began on September 11, 1683.

And that defeat marked the decline of Islam for the next several centuries.

Islam only did well when conquering and expanding. They NEEDED the wealth of conquered Christian countries, and slaves who understood how to run a civilization. When that flow of wealth and slaves ended, Islam sank down into poverty, until a new source of unearned wealth appeared, with the discovery of oil in Arabia.

Now that source of wealth is going to end eventually, which is why the Muslim countries are desperate to conquer Europe and America via immigration.

[TADSLOS]

American politics is so stupid and subservient to globalists as to infuriate the populace and make them have endless memorials over an attack that was by appearance the day America lost its sovereignty

Our sovereignty was lost long before that day. 9-11 just sealed the deal.

Just look 18 years later who is holding seats in Congres and high level government positions shaping national policy at every turn, then tell me who is winning the “War on terror”.

[Antoninus]

For a novel about the Great Siege of Malta, The Religion, by Tim Willocks, is better.

Uggh, that book was positively awful. This time period interests me so I was quick to want to read it, but "The Religion" was all about how awful Catholics are and how noble the Turks are. Plus the utterly unnecessary romance scenes? Please....

Practically unreadable, unless you like novels that read like made-for-HBO movies.

[Antoninus]

That’s because we WON WW 2.

It's also because even though we won WWII, our erstwhile allies (the Soviets) immediately turned into a bigger threat than the Germans and Japanese had ever been.

[dfwgator]

September 11, 1941 was the date of Lindbergh’s notorious Des Moines speech, that pretty much ended “America First” as a serious movement.

[Vaquero]

Patton was right. And killed for it.

We won the war we were in. But too short sided to see the future. Perhaps because socialist FDR (then Truman, a stooge) loved the heck out of the Soviets.

[Antoninus]

Perhaps because socialist FDR (then Truman, a stooge) loved the heck out of the Soviets.

I think FDR was duped by the Soviet agents he had (unwittingly) allowed into his administration. He also underestimated Stalin. I don't think Truman did--after all, he was willing to go to war in Korea to stop communist expansion. He just wasn't "all in".

[Antoninus]

September 11, 1941 was the date of Lindbergh’s notorious Des Moines speech, that pretty much ended “America First” as a serious movement.

Indeed. And it was quite a speech. Part of it was prescient, another part short-sighted. In it, Lindbergh predicted the Pearl Harbor attack: "We have become involved in the war from practically every standpoint except actual shooting. Only the creation of sufficient "incidents" yet remains..."

In another part of the speech, he overestimated the military might of the Axis and sounded like the Nazi symp that people would later accuse him of being.

Des Moines Speech: Delivered in Des Moines, Iowa, on September 11, 1941, this speech was met with outrage in many quarters

[hoagy62]

The 1683 Battle of Vienna was the inspiration for a song by the Swedish metal group Sabaton. When I ran across it and played it for my kids, they were curious about the battle, so it led to a homeschool study about it.

So here, for your listening pleasure, is the song...

Winged Hussars-Sabaton

"We remember...in September...when the Winged Hussars arrived!"

(BTW...the movie clips in the song were from the movie "Day of the Seige" about the Battle of Vienna.)

[Vaquero]

I love Truman’s bombing of Hiroshima/Nagasaki. I loath his lack of balls for not nuking China before they had the bomb. Hell we had more bombs than the Russians we should have threatened them with the bomb when they stole Eastern Europe in 1945. But no. We had Soviet spies from Alamogordo to the state departments.

[Antoninus]

Hell we had more bombs than the Russians we should have threatened them with the bomb when they stole Eastern Europe in 1945.

The fact that a man two months from his death (FDR) negotiated with Stalin at Yalta and brought with him (again, unwittingly) Soviet agents like Alger Hiss, meant that there was little hope that the Russians wouldn't get their way. As for Truman, I think he was still too new at the whole president thing to be confrontational with the Russians in 1945.