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Artist David Hockney leaves Los Angeles to live in France because he can 'smoke in restaurants [tr]
UK Daily Mail ^ | September 10, 2019 | Staff

Posted on 09/10/2019 2:17:51 AM PDT by C19fan

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To: miss marmelstein
People need small vices. Without them, they go directly to mass murder.

♥ ♥ ♥

Are you by any chance related to Mark Twain?

61 posted on 09/10/2019 5:42:20 AM PDT by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: fruser1
I remember during the time smoking bans were rolling out around the country, it was pretty common to see folks harassing smokers on the street.
Now they go after folks wearing MAGA hats.

Same crowd...

62 posted on 09/10/2019 5:52:53 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: C19fan

Japan:

Super concerned about not bothering other people and really concerned about health.

Yet smoke is EVERYWHERE.

I can never square that circle, let me know if you figger it out.


63 posted on 09/10/2019 5:57:45 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: DoodleBob

I see this argument a lot. PROPERTY RIGHTS!

The reality is society has a fundamental “right” to limit, proscribe, regulate, or restrict addiction and other vices commonly called nuisances in economic talk.

Epstein doesn’t have the right to rape children on his property.

7/11 doesn’t have the right to display porn.

Islam doesn’t have the right to female genital mutilation.

You don’t have the right to chickenhawk boys on your property.

You don’t have the right to put a leather tanning factory next to my house.

etc.


64 posted on 09/10/2019 5:57:53 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: miss marmelstein
My husband is also a cigar smoker. We go to some really nice cigar bars here where the ladies sip single-malt scotch while the guys light up and play dominoes. I allow smoking in my home. I have no health issues from “second-hand smoke” and I grew up with a father who smoked unfiltered Lucky Strikes

Consider yourself fortunate.

I watched my dad, who I would not have fought when I was younger, go from being very active, to having to slow his physical activity, to go to needing oxygen occasionally to all the time and then finally confined to a chair because the effort of walking to the bathroom exhausted him.

All from COPD because he smoked as a teenager to his mid fifties.

I pray it never happens to anyone in your family.

I personally think smoking, inhaling smoke into your lungs along with all the added in chemicals, is about the single dumbest thing a person can do to their body.

65 posted on 09/10/2019 5:58:23 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: C19fan

This David Hockney painting sold for

$90,000,000

66 posted on 09/10/2019 6:00:41 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: Drango

My wife once flew on the old Yugoslav airline JAT. She said the left side of the plane was smoking, and the right side non-smoking.


67 posted on 09/10/2019 6:02:22 AM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (The more I learn about people, the more I like my dog.)
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To: gaijin

$40,100,000

68 posted on 09/10/2019 6:06:14 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: fruser1
If there were any truth to the hazards of second hand smoke, anyone who had a job before 1990, say those 1974 and earlier, would be dead now.

From the dawn of man until the early 1900s people cooked over wood fires in enclosed spaces.We should be extinct.

69 posted on 09/10/2019 6:06:41 AM PDT by SanchoP
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To: C19fan
Famed British artist David Hockney is giving up Los Angeles after 55 years 

New Report Shows Leprosy on the Rise in Los Angeles County

70 posted on 09/10/2019 6:10:01 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: ealgeone

No one is suggesting anyone be forced to smoke. It’s a voluntary activity. If you don’t want to smoke, don’t. But let the rest of us have our small vice without all the virtue signalling that goes along with being prudish on the subject.


71 posted on 09/10/2019 6:11:43 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Max in Utah

No. Actually I picked up that kind of thinking from reading the Irish playwright, Brendan Behan.


72 posted on 09/10/2019 6:13:50 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: gaijin

Maybe they realize that second hand smoke is an annoyance not a health hazard.


73 posted on 09/10/2019 6:13:57 AM PDT by fruser1
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To: gaijin

It’s the art market that decides these prices, not Hockney. I actually like his stuff.


74 posted on 09/10/2019 6:14:39 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: miss marmelstein
Knock yourself out...as long as I don't have to smell it.

There's a reason the life insurance actuarial tables charge more for smokers than non-smokers.

As I said, I hope none in your family ever deal with COPD related illnesses.

It's a horrible way to die.

75 posted on 09/10/2019 6:16:12 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Drango

So I guess you’ll be sending words of support to the Australian vegan suing her neighbor because she doesn’t like the smell of meat on their BBQ.

The smell of smoke is harmless unlike the other things on your list.


76 posted on 09/10/2019 6:16:15 AM PDT by fruser1
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To: ealgeone

Don’t worry. I always make sure to put a long distance between us.


77 posted on 09/10/2019 6:22:17 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: C19fan

In the context of a free rational society, the principle linking private property rights and exposure to smoke, pollutants, and radiation, is the owner of property which exposes others to dangerous/harmful substances would not be able to expose the property of others to danger/harm. They both would have to agree on and would need a zone of safety.


78 posted on 09/10/2019 6:33:07 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: DoodleBob

Valid point. Although the property rights argument was used by Democrats to justify slave ownership. I see it more as a public heath concern. The same reason there are designated areas for human waste disposal. There’s a reason Wrigley Field style urinal troughs aren’t lined up right next to the buffet line.

A man’s home is his castle, yes. It is easy to rationalize anything that way, and it’s easy to tell someone to move or change their situation. But, try telling that to a child who is forced to live in a household with indoor smokers. That child is living in big daddy’s castle with no options to move out. I’m not advocating banning smoking in your own home, please don’t take it that way, its just often the case that smokers have little regard for not only their own children’s health but even less for fellow citizens when it comes to smoking.

And yes, it’s not a myth, second hand smoke has toxins in it. When you witness white walls of a home turn yellow, that is empirical proof that tar and the other 3000 chemicals of a cigarette are permeating into the lungs of anyone else in the home. It might not be as concentrated, it might not give you cancer, but a child has no choice but to suck it in. I grew up like this, I was actually called to the principals office and accused of smoking and marijuana use because I had that smokers stench about me, through no fault of my own. So, to my detriment maybe, I have quite an attitude about it.


79 posted on 09/10/2019 6:33:36 AM PDT by KobraKai
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To: miss marmelstein
Don’t worry. I always make sure to put a long distance between us.

I do appreciate that.

80 posted on 09/10/2019 6:35:37 AM PDT by ealgeone
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