When Lincoln sent a heavily armed flotilla into the territorial waters of the independent sovereign state of South Carolina.
In a letter to Alexander Hamilton, July 20, 1788. Before the ratification. Link
Did he say this in the federalist papers or his public utterances before ratification? If so it might be evidence as to what the parties actually agreed to when they ratified the constitution. However, if its just the private opinion of one man expressed to another, then it is worthless in terms of showing what the parties agreed to. So did he say this anywhere in the federalist papers? Did he say this to the various state governments considering ratification of the constitution? If he did, it seems awfully strange then that 3 states including the two largest and most powerful ones expressly reserved the right to unilaterally secede when they ratified the constitution. Stranger still that he never uttered a peep at the time about this being any kind of conditional ratification and thereby defective.
It's clear that Jefferson is talking about discussions about it.
No its not. It would be entirely inconsistent for a man who penned the declaration of independence in which the 13 colonies certainly did not obtain mutual consent from the rest of the British empire prior to seceding from it.
Well considering there was at that time an armed rebellion going on with Great Britain in order to achieve that separation, then I'll point out again that the difference was that the Founders wanted their independence enough to win their rebellion while the Southern states did not want their independence enough enough to win their's.
So you have no argument at all on the merits. Instead you try to fall back on "might makes right". This is the kind of argument put forth by the worst monsters in history to "justify" their aggression too.
I believe that the South began their bombardment of Sumter while the resupply ships were still in international waters.
Did he say this in the federalist papers or his public utterances before ratification? If so it might be evidence as to what the parties actually agreed to when they ratified the constitution.
The letter is dated July 20, 1788. New York ratified the Constitution on July 26.
If he did, it seems awfully strange then that 3 states including the two largest and most powerful ones expressly reserved the right to unilaterally secede when they ratified the constitution.
They can't reserve a right that's not allowed to them.
It would be entirely inconsistent for a man who penned the declaration of independence in which the 13 colonies certainly did not obtain mutual consent from the rest of the British empire prior to seceding from it.
You keep forgetting that Revolutionary War thing, don't you? Have you not heard of it?
So you have no argument at all on the merits. Instead you try to fall back on "might makes right". This is the kind of argument put forth by the worst monsters in history to "justify" their aggression too.
Yeah but fortunately they tend to lose. Like the South did.