[DesertRhino]

So gross. To men buggering each other getting on a moral high horse regarding a guy like Pence, who would have been widely seen as a normal decent man for all of our nation’s history.

Insanity.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Yeah, and check this out:

'... people who would gladly deny me the right to marry, who openly support conversion therapy, and who adamantly believe being gay is a choice..."

1. There is no "natural" right to marry. Marriage is an institution which in every historic case (until15 minutes ago) was instituted to protect the rights OF CHILDREN to a legal identity, a natural kinship network, nurturance, guidance and support/property from their natural parents. "Gay" marriage is a legal fiction, not a natural right.

2. "Conversion therapy" is a freely adopted choice to get counseling to relieve the symptoms of depression, anxiety, and dysphoria which often stem from childhood sexual abuse. When those symptoms are successfully addressed, unwanted sexual ideations (esp. of a homosexual type) are often relieved or transformed as a consequence. Chastain opposes sex abuse survivors' right to therapy? Or is it just unwillingly-gay people in general who don't get to have a choice?

3. "Gay as a choice"? You may not have a choice about those feelings especially if you're not allowed to seek reparative therapy (see #2) but you certainly can choose to control how you act out on your sexual feelings, e.g. the legal term is sodomy. If you really can't control THAT, you ought to be confined to a safe, restricted environment.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Aaargh! Typo!

I meant there is no "natural" right for them (gays) to marry.

There IS a natural right to MARRY ---even gays ---- if they marry a person of the other sex!

Which is to say, everyone has natural right to seek an eligible, consenting spouse of the other sex, and form an intimate relation with that person involving fidelity, normal potentially fertile sexual union, and the begetting and raising of children.

THAT is the right. There is no right to form a pseudo marriage with a person who is not actually eligible. Ineligibles would include close blood kin, minors, the mentally incompetent, persons incapable of a completed act of sexual intercourse, persons already married to somebody else, and persons of the same sex.

[daniel1212]

So gross. To men buggering each other getting on a moral high horse regarding a guy like Pence, who would have been widely seen as a normal decent man for all of our nation’s history. Insanity.

Mayor Pete Buttigieg and Hypocrisy/The Hypocrisy of Mayor Pete