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I’ve spent 30 years in China and 29 in America. I observed this black and white thing from start. America made 2 mistakes on slavery. 1) import totally incompatible races into their living space over some cotton trade 2) they ended slavery in a wrong way. America should have relocated slaves out of country. From my reading consensus among blacks were over 90% of blacks wanted out of America. They did not do it.

I admire Americans ingenuity. No one in the world can be compared to Americans.
But as race or ethnic group(?) they are not as wise as Chinese
Given current demographics trend, they will lose this country in just one century or so. So unfortunate. I don’t know why they seem not able to attach themselves to this land culturally and spiritually, even though they had lost so many lives over it. They never call her motherland. God, it’s f$&king tragic to see that they lose their county over some cotton trade. What a tragedy. That’s why I really despise southern whites no matter how talented or gifted they are individually

God, it’s f$&king tragic to see that they lose their county over some cotton trade.

It was about quite a lot more than the cotton trade. The Southern states produced 73% of the US entire trade product at that time, and all the money to pay for it was being funneled into New York because of the Navigation act of 1817.

New York was taking about 60% of all the value of the South's entire production, and if the South became independent, New York would lose about 230 million dollars per year in 1860 dollars. Worse still, European manufactured goods would have flooded the continent through Southern ports at prices deeply undercutting the North Eastern manufacturers, and thereby causing a double financial whammy to the power barons who would have lost significant market share and income.

The existing power structure in New York and Washington DC, then as now wanted all the nation's money funneling through their pockets, and when the South threatened to take control of their own trade and finances, this was more than the existing power structure could tolerate, and so they launched a war to subjugate the South.

Lincoln clearly had no intention of freeing the slaves when he began his presidency, and he did in fact urge the passage of an amendment that would have made slavery virtually permanent. (The Corwin Amendment.)

Lincoln and his New York backers knew where all the trade money came from, and they were not going to tolerate it getting out of their control. Their initial efforts was to get control back quickly so that everything could resume as it was before the war. When Southern doggedness kept them from winning quickly, they eventually decided it would be better to break the economic back of the South than to allow it to escape their control, and this is why they moved to abolish slavery.

In point of fact, the Northerners didn't really care about the black people, and they would have kept them in slavery had the North won quickly, but after almost two years, they saw it as a useful tactic to help them win the war, and so they made it one of their goals.

The whole affair is a lot more complex than people realize, and this is why people just generally accept the commonly repeated claim that the entire thing was over slavery.

It was really about who would control that money, not about who was creating it.

Also, the Northern powers were mostly English, and the Southern powers was mostly Scottish, and so there was a continuation of the bad blood that existed before back in the old country. It is not accident that this

Resembles this.

“That’s why I really despise southern whites no matter how talented or gifted they are individually”

I am constantly amazed at what people say in public these days with no repercussions at all, but to see such a blatantly bigoted statement on FR, thrown out with total impunity, is mind boggling. And you can take your “not as wise as Chinese” and shove it up your ass. Do you know the disproportionate representation in the military from people in the South? No, you don’t. Southerners are generally the most patriotic people you will meet. I don’t know what nationality you are, and don’t care. You are ignorant fool.

Your 90% of blacks wanted out of America is patently untrue. Blacks and their leaders thought of themselves as Americans and wanted to stay in America. In fact black leaders expressed this sentiment to Lincoln and it is the reason he dropped any plans for resettlement of the freed slaves.

Blacks have fought and died in every war this country has been in. Over the course of my twenty plus years in the military I served with outstanding people of all races. This country is as much theirs as it is ours so take your racist nonsense and shove it up your ass.

I admire Americans ingenuity. No one in the world can be compared to Americans. But as race or ethnic group(?) they are not as wise as Chinese

You put a question mark in that reference to “race or ethnic group.” And you were right to do so. The seed of US society and government was British. But of whatever race who are born or naturalize here are now American - I can’t go to China - or any other country, pretty much - and declare myself to be, voluntarily, a member of the society and polity. It would not be accepted. But the reverse is not true.

From my reading consensus among blacks were over 90% of blacks wanted out of America. They did not do it.

No, but I’m confident they were pretty unanimous back then in their desire for “forty acres and a mule.” But by the time they were freedmen, they were - as the Fourteenth Amendment put it,
"born . . . in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof"
and wanted to be
"citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
They wanted the “reparations” of opportunity to prosper by dint of their own industry, in the type of occupation with which they were familiar.
The saying is that it is useless to close the barn door after the horse has escaped the barn. Well, the idea of “returning” the slaves to Africa occurred to many, early in the history of the Republic - but it was never accepted. Early in the history of the country, the North would have compensated slaveowners to release the slaves back to Africa. But the cotton plantation business model, which wasn’t entrenched in 1788, became entrenched pretty early in the Nineteenth Century, and the South wasn’t interested.
As time went on, the economic model which supported slavery got stronger just as fast as abolition support grew in the North.