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Edmund Burke replies to Samuel Johnson about slavery and slave holders
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Posted on 08/31/2019 7:13:16 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica

The propaganda that progressives employ is in full bloom, now that they've spent the last 120 years dumbing us down through government controlled grade schools.

One of the favored propaganda devices that they use is that of Samuel Johnson, a well known British author at the time. Johnson examined some of what he heard coming from the Continental Congress and among other observations, asked this question:

We are told, that the subjection of Americans may tend to the diminution of our own liberties; an event, which none but very perspicacious politicians are able to foresee. If slavery be thus fatally contagious, how is it that we hear the loudest yelps for liberty among the drivers of negroes?

Just a month ago I wrote this about one of Burke's speeches, where he notes the hypocrisy of the British (of all people) offering freedom to slaves, after they were the ones who did all of the colonial shipping across the Atlantic! But anyways, in the same speech Burke gives what is actually a very concise answer to Johnson's query. Burke said:

There is, however, a circumstance attending these Colonies, which, in my opinion, fully counterbalances this difference, and makes the spirit of liberty still more high and haughty than in those to the northward. It is that in Virginia and the Carolinas they have a vast multitude of slaves. Where this is the case in any part of the world, those who are free are by far the most proud and jealous of their freedom. Freedom is to them not only an enjoyment, but a kind of rank and privilege. Not seeing there that freedom, as in countries where it is a common blessing, and as broad and general as the air, may be united with much abject toil, with great misery, with all the exterior of servitude, liberty looks, among them, like something that is more noble and liberal. I do not mean, sir, to command the superior morality of this sentiment, which has at least as much pride as virtue in it; but I can not alter the nature of man. The fact is so; and these people of the southern Colonies are much more strongly, and with a higher and more stubborn spirit, attached to liberty than those to the northward. Such were all the ancient commonwealths; such were our Gothic ancestors; such, in our days, were the Poles, and such will be all masters of slaves, who are not slaves themselves. In such a people the haughtiness of domination combines with the spirit of freedom, fortifies it, and renders it invincible.

Note that both Samuel Johnson and Burke are observing how the spirit of Liberty appears to be more vivid in southern colonies. Now of course Burke wasn't addressing Johnson at this time. However, it does render the question Johnson asked relatively useless.

What Johnson is responding to(without wording it that way) is their heightened sense of jealousy over their individual Liberty. Patrick Henry is very well known for using that specific word. "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel." Jefferson also uses that word in the Kentucky Resolutions. "Free government is founded in jealousy, and not in confidence; it is jealousy, and not confidence, which prescribes limited constitutions to bind down those whom we are obliged to trust with power; that our Constitution has accordingly fixed the limits to which, and no farther, our confidence may go."


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: 1619; edmundburke; progressivism; proslavery; revisionism; samueljohnson; skinheadsonfr; slavery; thelostcause
I can just see this coming - Yes, France shipped plenty of slaves. But not to the colonies.(See Haiti) Yes, Portugal, the same. But not to the colonies.(See Brazil)
1 posted on 08/31/2019 7:13:16 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica
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2 posted on 08/31/2019 7:17:14 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (We cannot leave history to "the historians" anymore.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Sorry, but I believe Johnson and Burke were making the same point - ie the mere fact you keep slaves doesn’t diminish your own jealousy for your own liberty

Johnson was arguing against those who said that England’s commitment to (jealousy for) its own liberties would be weakened if England kept treating the colonists as, in effect, slaves. He said this wasn’t so, and he pointed out that the colonists were keeping slaves without weakening their commitment to their own liberties


3 posted on 08/31/2019 7:29:03 AM PDT by rintintin
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To: ProgressingAmerica

I don’t in any way see how Burke was saying that the spirit of liberty was strongest in the old South; he’s saying that the slave-owners value their liberty the most. But slave-owners were a terribly small minority.


4 posted on 08/31/2019 7:37:21 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

It seems to me that those who have freedom and blessings often take them for granted and those who were once enslaved but now freed (I.e. those who have escaped communist countries) cherish them far more. It’s not a hard and fast rule as I’m sure there are many counter examples but it can be noted.


5 posted on 08/31/2019 8:27:10 AM PDT by xp38
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To: ProgressingAmerica
To paraphrase:

The more one witnesses the absence of liberty, the more one values liberty.

or:

The love of liberty is directly proportional to the comprehension of tyranny.

Maybe someone else can do better than that.
6 posted on 08/31/2019 8:43:42 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Was the election of Donald Trump to the Presidency liberty's last gasp? Big Brother is watching you.)
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To: Savage Beast
"To paraphrase: The more one witnesses the absence of liberty, the more one values liberty. or: The love of liberty is directly proportional to the comprehension of tyranny."

Maybe someone else can do better than that.

"To those who have fought for it, Freedom (sometimes "Life" is inserted here) bears a savor the protected will never know."

anon - written on a Marine's camouflage helmet cover in Vietnam, 1968-69

7 posted on 08/31/2019 9:48:36 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ( crawl up inside the)
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To: BwanaNdege
Very good!

Yes!

8 posted on 08/31/2019 10:00:10 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Was the election of Donald Trump to the Presidency liberty's last gasp? Big Brother is watching you.)
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To: BwanaNdege
"To those who have fought for it, Freedom (sometimes "Life" is inserted here) bears a savor the protected will never know."

This explains the Left from the counter-culture movement of the 1960s to today.

They, the protected, lack the wit to comprehend it.

9 posted on 08/31/2019 10:03:20 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Was the election of Donald Trump to the Presidency liberty's last gasp? Big Brother is watching you.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
Thank you for reminding us of Burke's "Speech on Conciliation. . . ."--a document which reminds us of many important facts about America's early history, one of which is that, even before our 1776 Declaration, Americans, with their firm "spirit of liberty," already, were feeding the Old World!

Liberty, after all is what tyrants fear the most, for a people devoted to liberty will not tolerate those, who like Far Left political presidential clowns of today, wish to rule, censor, limit freedom, and control the speech of those with whom they disagree.

Democrat Party 2020 political candidates, are you reading this?

10 posted on 08/31/2019 11:11:23 AM PDT by loveliberty2 (`)
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To: dangus
I don’t in any way see how Burke was saying that the spirit of liberty was strongest in the old South; he’s saying that the slave-owners value their liberty the most. But slave-owners were a terribly small minority.

Not quite. He's saying that every member of a society with slavery will value their freedom more. Not just the slave owners.
11 posted on 09/01/2019 7:47:50 AM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: Svartalfiar

No, he specifically says “slave drivers.”


12 posted on 09/01/2019 8:29:32 AM PDT by dangus
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To: rintintin; dangus; Savage Beast

I see what you are saying now. Essentially that short quote from Johnson has been taken out of context.(not surprising) When I initially read through the essay, that escaped me.


13 posted on 09/02/2019 5:05:17 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (We cannot leave history to "the historians" anymore.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

It’s ironic that they seem to be making the same point, since Johnson was arguing against the colonists’ demands for a say in taxation, while - as you note - Burke was arguing on the other side, in favor of their rights.


14 posted on 09/03/2019 7:23:58 AM PDT by rintintin
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