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To: Steve Van Doorn
I think Catholics are making a huge mistake staying with the belief given the leadership of the church in the past few years.

It's simple, really ... the Church isn't about its leaders, it's about Jesus. That's why we stay.

111 posted on 08/29/2019 6:27:02 AM PDT by al_c (Democrats: Party over Common Sense)
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To: al_c
said, " It's simple, really ... the Church isn't about its leaders, it's about Jesus. That's why we stay."

Assume the catholic church supported a tyrant.
would you feel the same way?

134 posted on 08/29/2019 8:09:42 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: al_c
It's simple, really ... the Church isn't about its leaders, it's about Jesus. That's why we stay.

But what kind of Roman (as in headquarters) Catholic church is it without subjection to the visible pope as its head, and not just in (claimed) "infallible" teachings ?

For, 'the one duty of the multitude is to allow themselves to be led, and, like a docile flock, to follow the Pastors," "to suffer themselves to be guided and led in all things that touch upon faith or morals by the Holy Church of God through its Supreme Pastor the Roman Pontiff," "of submitting with docility to their judgment," with "no discussions regarding what he orders or demands, or up to what point obedience must go, and in what things he is to be obeyed... not only in person, but with letters and other public documents ;" and 'not limit the field in which he might and must exercise his authority, " for "obedience must not limit itself to matters which touch the faith: its sphere is much more vast: it extends to all matters which the episcopal power embraces," and not set up "some kind of opposition between one Pontiff and another. Those who, faced with two differing directives, reject the present one to hold to the past, are not giving proof of obedience to the authority which has the right and duty to guide them," "Nor must it be thought that what is expounded in Encyclical Letters does not of itself demand consent." (Sources http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3578348/posts?page=14#14)

139 posted on 08/29/2019 8:21:07 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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