Sorry it took so long to get the list ping going, better late than never... :-)
Posted on 08/22/2019 7:24:52 PM PDT by daniel1212
Keep in mind that what works on KDE linux will work on mint, cinnamon and reverse. It’s pretty cool how it will go fetch everything extra you need to make everything work and make it compatible.
Again... I highly suggest you give the mint cinnamon a shot. It comes boxed with everything you asked about at the start here in this conversation. I think you will be quite surprised with how comprehensive it really is.
You can always scratch it and then choose KDE. But you might go back... :)
You can actually replicate the KDE desktop in the mint cinnamon with the boxed tools.
I wish that I had seen this thread last week. I bought a laptop a couple months ago with a Ryzen 5 2500u processor. I was having difficulty with the HP drivers and the touchpad driver in particular, so I ordered a laptop with an 8th generation 8250u i5 and an nvidia video processor. By the time the second laptop was delivered, I had the problems with the Ryzen laptop worked out.
So I ran a bunch of benchmarks and the Ryzen laptop was far more powerful than the i5 even with the discrete video processor. This was largely because the i5 and nvidia produced so much less heat that it was thermal throttling down to a pathetic pace when trying to do demanding tasks. I am a big believer in the Ryzen family of processors at this point. These know-it-alls who claim that the i3 beats the Ryzen 5 have no clue.
Yes, the Ryzen has received good reviews for a reason, but your configurations are comparable. At press time, the Envy x360 with Ryzen 5 was $100 less than the unit with Intel inside. The difference in performance between these chips is really small for most users, and for AMD, that's a huge win. https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/amd-ryzen-mobile-vs-intel-8th-gen-core.
Sorry for your experience with the i5. But I think you meant "the i5 and nvidia produced so much less more heat that it was thermal throttling down." But you should be able to configure it not to do so (except in extreme heat) in the BIOS plus power config. in Windows.
These know-it-alls who claim that the i3 beats the Ryzen 5 have no clue.
Note though that there are many iterations of the i3, while i think the the claim was that the i3 beats the Ryzen 3200g for the same price, and which simply is not the case. Video cards can cost more than the $100 AMD Ryzen 3 3200G 4-Core Unlocked Desktop Processor. Thank God we can even get such tools (not for wasting time on gaming though).
Thanks for catching my “typo”. As was said in the movie Hail Caesar, “Would that it were so simple.”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G629a_3MkkI
Believe me I have read every review that compares the mobile Ryzen processors with their Intel counterparts and the full size 17” touch screen laptop that I used for 18 months had an i5 8250u with an inexpensive discrete GPU. In a laptop with a large case this combo worked very well. When you go to laptops with smaller and thinner cases however, the greater thermal efficiency of the Ryzen 5 2500u makes a huge difference. This was greatly exaggerated by the thermal throttling that kicked in whenever the i5 8250u reached 40C in the 15” Lenovo Flex 5. Please believe that I put some serious effort into getting around this limitation with this laptop and was no more successful than any of the others who have tried.
The reviews of the Ryzen 5 based HP Envy 15” X360 were basically all written before AMD released the new series of drivers that made a huge difference in reliability and performance. It still sometimes has a minor glitch or two but overall it is an amazing little laptop and the “tablet mode” with pen is actually surprisingly useful.
Thermal efficiency and power consumption is not that great of a factor in desktop computers. Those who have written reviews comparing the mobile processors have not done a very good job with real world side by side comparisons with laptops with thin small cases. And they typically also have not done a good job letting customers know which manufacturers are using severe thermal throttling to make up for deficiencies in their case designs.
A man that does his homework.
The reviews of the Ryzen 5 based HP Envy 15” X360 were basically all written before AMD released the new series of drivers that made a huge difference in reliability and performance.
Got them as soon as I installed and ran it (Windows 10).
Thermal efficiency and power consumption is not that great of a factor in desktop computers.
It should not be, and this Ryzen 3 3200g runs much quieter than my old AMD 4350, and uses half the watts. However, ADATA SU655 120GB 3D NAND 2.5 inch SATA III SSD runs around 46-50C even with fans blowing over and out of it.
And they typically also have not done a good job letting customers know which manufacturers are using severe thermal throttling to make up for deficiencies in their case designs.
Mine is open on both sides, with fans blowing in and out.
I went sideways on your thread largely as a reaction to some of the other posts. I haven’t put a desktop together for many years and was interested in your project and suggestions. I think that what you came up with was really great and likely was very helpful to others here. I used to tape a lot of charity events for my wife and I should have been using a desktop for encoding the video. The heat generated from these projects sent a couple of my laptops to an early demise. Even with current processors it is better to do this type of project on a desktop.
I had never heard of pcpartpicker.com; it is a fascinating site and concept. Congratulations on your completed project and thank you for sharing!
Yes, and with my stiff arthritic typo fingers, and the typical heavy load then Desktops are the best.
I had never heard of pcpartpicker.com; it is a fascinating site and concept.
Yes, that site, with its compatibility and price checking, is of much benefit to those who want parts or put together a whole build.
Congratulations on your completed project and thank you for sharing!
Hey, thank God we can even engage in such, and be a blessing to others!
P.s. as a Windows user you may want to be on the ping list of dayglored. Latest: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3775420/posts
Sorry it took so long to get the list ping going, better late than never... :-)
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The difficulties that I have had with AMD products for decades now have almost always been related to compatibility with other hardware.
Many years ago before we had broadband available in our area I spent hundreds of dollars for a system from Directv that used a USB satellite receiver and modem that used the phone line for upload and the satellite dish for download. I spent weeks trying to get the system to work. I finally just gave up.
I didn’t find out until months later that the system just wasn’t compatible with my AMD hardware and the jokers at DIRECTV weren’t telling people because they didn’t want to give people their money back. I never got my money back, but the dish that came with it did give a stronger signal for my satellite TV receiver.
At the time I would have gladly put together an Intel Pentium based system if technical support would have told me what the problem was... and they did know, but were perfectly happy to continue sending me on wild goose chases.
Good Hunting... from Varmint Al
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