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Poland honors World War II group that collaborated with Nazis
timesofisrael.com ^ | 11 August 2019 | Agencies

Posted on 08/12/2019 2:18:57 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper

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To: Berlin_Freeper

Germans hated communists more than any other group...


21 posted on 08/12/2019 3:26:04 PM PDT by northislander
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To: northislander

Except when the Germans signed a Non-Agression Pact with them.


22 posted on 08/12/2019 3:29:21 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
This was not a Home Army unit. It was part of the right-wing NSZ, and was formed in the last years of the war.

It had a base in the south of Poland. Sometimes it fought Germans. Sometimes it fought Russians.

I don't know all the details, but it looks like they didn't fight under or with the Germans. They did make some sort of truce with the Germans, when they felt it was necessary to fight the Russians.

I guess it was something like the Yugoslav or Chinese situation, where there were various groups fighting with each other and with the occupier.

After the war they were accused of collaboration by the Communists, but also by the centrist agrarians.

There was little love lost between the Home Army and the NSZ, but I don't believe this was a situation of collaboration with the Germans such as existed in Ukraine or the Balkans or France or Belgium.

If you want to say it was a question of degree, okay, but it wasn't the same thing to the same degree.

23 posted on 08/12/2019 4:10:11 PM PDT by x
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To: DesertRhino
The problem is that on several occasions they fought alongside nazis.

Not so far as I know. The problem was that when they were fighting the Soviets, they weren't fighting the Nazis. But it is hard to get unbiased information about what was going on back then.

24 posted on 08/12/2019 4:12:28 PM PDT by x
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To: teeman8r

The Nazis were just straight up enemies of Poland. Over the course of the war they completely demolished Warsaw - which Hitler wanted to turn into a lake, murdered an enormous percentage of Poland’s population, enslaved millions more and attempted to resettle the country with ethnic Germans. Poles who collaborated were fools.


25 posted on 08/12/2019 4:21:50 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: dfwgator
Except when the Germans signed a Non-Agression Pact with them.

Even then. It was, to use the Muslim term, a "hudna", a temporary truce of convenience.

The Russians were simultaneously negotiating with France and Britain, but France was being difficult. The Russians felt that France wanted the Russians involved in the coming war, and to take the brunt of it. In a way, they saw that as a repeat of WW I, where the Germans slammed Russia, and the Czarist government fell.

Hitler and Molotov swooped in and removed that. But, it was a cynical deal, for as we all know, when Germany gained the upper hand in Western Europe, it attacked Russia. It was a treaty of the monsters, but Hitler broke it first.

26 posted on 08/12/2019 4:22:09 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Gay State Conservative
You're talking to a pro-Merkel/EU/”refugee” 5th columnist. Unbelievable they still keep him here.
27 posted on 08/12/2019 4:28:59 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: marktwain

Serbia lost the most people by percentage of population.


28 posted on 08/12/2019 4:41:30 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Berlin_Freeper; All

Some of this was the result of playing policy games with the Russians on the Eastern front. A Polish unit played a significant role in the battle of Monte Casino. Many poles flew with the RAF during the aur battle of Britain .


29 posted on 08/12/2019 5:00:37 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (mosesdapoet aka L,J,Keslin posting for the record hoping some might read and pass around)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Nazis were bad but the Communists overall were much worse before and after WWII. FDR made sure the Communists got their spoils. We should have destroyed Soviet expansionism before it started right after the Japs were bombed to oblivion. Imagine no Cold War,Chicoms,Norks,North Vietnam,Warsaw Pact,over a hundred thousand American dead and trillions in wasted treasure. etc. etc.


30 posted on 08/12/2019 5:47:23 PM PDT by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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To: Amberdawn
Serbia lost the most people by percentage of population.

How many did Serbia lose? I have not seen them broken out from Yugoslavia or the Balkans, generally.

But then, I have not seen any of the State that were part of the Soviet Union broken out either.

31 posted on 08/12/2019 6:10:49 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Amberdawn

I thought it was the Jews.


32 posted on 08/12/2019 6:40:20 PM PDT by Lisbon1940 (No full-term Governors (at the time of election))
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Did the Russians also ally with the Germans when they refused to help during the Warsaw uprising.


33 posted on 08/12/2019 6:51:34 PM PDT by sharkhawk (Chelsea Dagger)
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To: sharkhawk

It wasn’t the Germans who shot those officers in Katyn.


34 posted on 08/12/2019 6:54:57 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Alter Kaker

Poles didn’t collaborate with the Nazis. There was no “Vichy” Poland.


35 posted on 08/12/2019 6:56:37 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: marktwain

10.8 % of their pre-war population.

http://www.serbianembassy.jp/ENGLISH/WW2.html


36 posted on 08/12/2019 7:16:26 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Grzegorz 246

You are another nut.


37 posted on 08/12/2019 8:32:20 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Gay State Conservative; Grzegorz 246

The Republic of Ireland has voted overwhelmingly to legalise same-sex marriage in a historic referendum.
More than 62% voted in favour of amending the country’s constitution to allow gay and lesbian couples to marry.
It is the first country in the world to legalise same-sex marriage through a popular vote.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32858501

Ireland votes by landslide to legalise abortion
Nearly two in three Irish voters opted to repeal the eighth amendment to the constitution
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/26/ireland-votes-by-landslide-to-legalise-abortion

None of that had to do with the EU.


38 posted on 08/12/2019 8:44:40 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Amberdawn
10.8 % of their pre-war population.

The Serbs lost 10.8%.

The Poles lost 17%, according to Wikipedia.

The Soviet Union lost 13.7%, Belarus being the highest part, with 25%. Lithuania lost 14%.

39 posted on 08/13/2019 2:43:22 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper; Grzegorz 246
None of that had to do with the EU.

Quoting The Guardian? Quoting the BBC? Is that was passes for "journalism" in Berlin?

Here's a hint for you: not *all* Westerners are blind to the fact that Germany is *still* the enemy of everything that is decent,honorable and respectable.

40 posted on 08/13/2019 5:43:40 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (A joke: Brennan,Comey and Lynch walk into a Barr...)
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