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To: OIFVeteran; x; Bull Snipe; rockrr; DiogenesLamp; central_va; Pelham
“Here's someone else ((James Buchanan) who took a hardline against the legality of secession . . .”

Except James Buchanan did not take a “hardline” against secession. And the words of his State of the Union speech documents he did not take a hardline.

If he had taken a hard line he might have sent his Navy on the prod to provoke a Fort Sumter incident. Or at least he could have contended that dissolution of the union could only be valid through unanimous agreement of all the states.

Buchanan wanted to preserve the Union, but so did a lot of people including a lot of southern leaders.

Many historians rank Buchanan as one of the worst U.S. presidents, if not the worst, because they view him as being
softline, not hardline. See link.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/who-were-the-worst-presidents-in-the-history-of-the-united-states.html

The argument in your post 289, well intentioned, falls apart. But not until the first line.

290 posted on 08/09/2019 5:39:55 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: jeffersondem; OIFVeteran; BroJoeK; rockrr
Buchanan took a hard line in theory - he believed secession was unconstitutional - but a soft line in practice - he didn't think there was anything he could do about it.

Many thought he believed he couldn't do anything because he didn't want to do anything, hence the accusations of treason or sedition made against him.

If unilateral secession was unconstitutional, but no one in the federal government could do anything about it, that didn't leave the constitution with much authority.

291 posted on 08/09/2019 5:47:42 PM PDT by x
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To: jeffersondem
Obviously reading comprehension is not a strong suit of yours. I said he took a hardline against the legality of secession. I’m well aware that his actions were soft, and even derelict in his duty as President, which is the primary reason he is considered one of the worst Presidents ever. But he was right about secession.
292 posted on 08/09/2019 7:00:31 PM PDT by OIFVeteran
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