Posted on 07/29/2019 8:44:07 AM PDT by ransomnote
Speaking of clubs...I have a freaky memory and remember you well
I recall back when you ran with howlin and Dane and all the rest of the Bushbot pro amnesty crowd here which loomed over the forum like pimple faced high school girls jeering for the zoo of anyone who disagreed with you
I have no idea what youre taking about here. Your memory is not as good as you think it is.
Zzzzzz... the same old tune gets old after a while.
Naw, it's because you just hate the truth, can't face it and have no response to it.
You fantasies can't deal with reality, FRiend.
You’re right. Turns out 0zero was wrong - we’re ready. It’s democrats who are afraid.
Not as old as the same old reality. We are still ruled by New York which controls all the propaganda broadcast on all media channels, and Washington DC which still takes money from the taxpayers so that they can funnel it through their front companies into their own pockets.
Trump is fighting these people, and some of you just think he's fighting a political party.
No, he's fighting a huge hidden government ran by influence and corruption.
Corwin Amendment. :)
Thanks Joe. I really do need to watch my spelling though.
Yeah. You’re better off with comic books.
My point is LBJ and the Democrats fought tooth and nail against passage of the civil rights bill. LBJ had to turn to Republicans to get it passed.
CodeToad has you pegged. Own it.
“I didn’t follow Goldwater’s career closely, but seems to me he ended up less than socially conservative.”
Goldwater never was socially conservative. He was always a libertarian on social issues. No one knew that in 1964 because social conservatism simply wasn’t part of the political debate.
The big issues then were Russia, Vietnam, Civil Rights, and Lyndon Johnson’s massive Great Society welfare scheme. Johnson owed a debt of gratitude to the liberal Republican establishment for giving him a lot of help. They hated Goldwater just like the current bunch hates Trump.
Social conservatism didn’t become part of national politics until the early 70s, after the excesses of the 1960s and Roe v Wade stirred up Catholics and previously quiescent Evangelicals to enter the political fray in a big way.
Barry’s first wife was friends with Margaret Sanger, who was an active member of the Tucson Republican Women. In the late ‘30s the two of them teamed up to open Arizona’s first birth control clinic. This wasn’t hidden or controversial because in 1964 no one was paying any attention to it.
Reagan and Buckley were also socially libertarian in the 60s. Buckley wrote about smoking pot out on his boat. Reagan signed the law legalizing abortion in California. Reagan later came to regret that, but at the time he didn’t. The only organized opposition was from Catholics.
“In 1960, Goldwater wrote the book, Conscience of a Conservative, but I think he missed a key point that helps define American conservative today.”
Barry didn’t write it. It was ghost written by Brent Bozell Jr, Bill Buckley’s arch-Catholic brother in law.
” In the end, Goldwater’s conscience was more libertarian than conservative. “
He always was. Just no one knew it.
“Maybe — but in 1858 Democrat President Buchanan sent a much larger war fleet to Paraguay to settle a matter of national honor. That war fleet was also ordered, in effect, “no first use of force”.
The same Buchanan sent an army to put down the Mormon rebellion in the Utah Territory. The forgotten ‘Utah Mormon War’.
Forgotten because it was a moot issue by the time that the army arrived, the Mormons had acquiesced to obeying the Territorial government.
The story gets more interesting after that. Buchanan was also President when the Star of the West was fired upon by as it sought to resupply Fort Sumter. Some will say this was the first shot of the Civil War, fired by cadets from The Citadel- Go Bulldogs!
So why didn’t Buchanan call up the army to put down this affront, same as he did with Mormon rebellion in the Utah Territory?
Buchanan believed that States had rights that Territories didn’t. He didn’t believe that secession was Constitutional, but he also didn’t believe that it was legal for a President to send the army against an American state. Andrew Jackson did when he threatened South Carolina over the tariff, Buchanan didn’t. If secession was going to be reversed it was going to be by means other than force and civil war.
James Buchanan thought Lincoln’s war was illegal. As did Franklin Pierce. So did John Tyler. Martin Van Buren and Millard Fillmore supported Lincoln. Two Democrats and one Whig against Lincoln, one Democrat and one Whig supporting Lincoln.
Bttt
No he did not. Heres what he said after Fort Sumter was fired on “the assault upon Sumter was the commencement of war by the Confederate states, and no alternative was left but to prosecute it with vigor on our part”.
Birkner, Michael (September 20, 2005). “Buchanan’s Civil War
He also wrote a letter a letter to his fellow democrats in Pennsylvania urging them to,join the many thousands of brave & patriotic volunteers who are already in the field”.
Hardly the words of a man against the war.
LOL! A true "pot calling the kettle black" moment if ever there was one.
Actually, this Toad you refer to knows nothing. I do not hate the South or Southerners. I have written on this very forum that I have seen more racism in Chicago than in my time in Southern cities. That I mock pathetic defenders of the Lost Cause is no more an indication of bigotry against Southerners than critiquing the Japanese who refuse to acknowledge their countrys aggression in WWII is bigotry toward Asians.
So there is nothing to own.
Wikipedia defines Southron as:
A White Southerner from the Southern United States in general
Historically, a person from the Confederate States of America
A member of the Haradrim, a human people in the fiction of J. R. R. Tolkien
Anyone who lives below “The Neck” in the series A Song of Ice and Fire by author George R.R. Martin
It should have been clear from my usage, but in case it wasnt I will spell it out for you. I wasnt referring to all Southerners or mythical creatures from a fantasy novel. I was referring to unreconstructed Confederates who worship at the sacred altar of the Lost Cause. Subsequent replies waving the stars and bars certainly prove my point. Particularly the flickering intellect of Dim Lamp.
All of which you well know but refuse to acknowledge because it doesn't fit-in with your Lost Cause fantasies.
Thanks for a great history lesson, seriously.
All of that which I already knew I agree with and quite a bit of it I didn't know, but have no reason to doubt you on.
Pelham: "Reagan signed the law legalizing abortion in California.
Reagan later came to regret that, but at the time he didnt.
The only organized opposition was from Catholics."
Some of my ancestors were persecuted by Catholics, and some by Protestant state-churches in Europe, it's a reason they came here.
It's also a reason why, for many years many Americans were anti-Catholic.
Today we find common cause and powerful allies among believing Catholics, as well as more conservative Jews.
I like this a lot better.
Finally, I found a mistake. ;-)
It's true, President Buchanan opposed war and did nothing militarily to stop secession.
He backed away from a fight when Confederates fired on the Star of the West and when they seized dozens of Federal properties -- forts, ships, arsenals, mints, etc.
But once war began, Buchanan backed it, writing:
He also wrote a letter to his fellow Pennsylvania Democrats, urging them to "join the many thousands of brave & patriotic volunteers who are already in the field".[80] "
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