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To: Political Junkie Too

From Amendment XII:

..from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice.
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from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice.
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Amendment XXV:
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Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.
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Well, right now, although Democrats control the House, it looks like Republicans control 26 delegations, Democrats control 22, one is tied (PA) - by historical standards, that’s low - and then MI has 7D, 6R, plus Justin Amash (I).

As I say, just one delegation tied by historical standards is low. States with say 4 representatives have frequently had 2R and 2D in their delegations for instance.

Do you agree it’s harder for the House to break an Electoral College deadlock (for the Presidency) than it is for the Senate to break an Electoral College deadlock (for the Vice Presidency)? No party having a majority of delegations is much more common than a tie in the Senate (and even then, the old VP can vote until his term expires on January 20).

Similarly, it would be easier for an Acting President to get a Vice President confirmed by a majority of both Houses (Amendment 25) than it would be for the House to break the electoral college deadlock. If one party controlled the majority of delegations and the other controlled the majority of seats (as we have now), it would be a very contentious process.

If that were to happen - I don’t know if the House could, at some point in the term - agree on a 12th amendment selection for President - what would happen.

I’m thinking that the vote would stand, and the 12th amendment President would become President, the Acting President would become Vice President (the post which the Senate actually elected him for), and then the 25th Amendment Vice President would be out the door.

I’m sure none of this was thought of when the 25th amendment was ratified....or maybe it was.

I did forget about Nelson Rockefeller, yes.


50 posted on 07/27/2019 2:58:23 AM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: scrabblehack

Now that I reread that, it says “House shall choose immediately.” Someone might say that the House can consider no other business (especially not a 25th amendment nomination) until that question is decided.


51 posted on 07/27/2019 3:01:37 AM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: scrabblehack
Yikes... I stopped reading before that last paragraph. My eyes must have been glazing over at that point so early in the morning. :-(

I do agree that it would be harder for the House to agree on a President than for the Senate to agree on a Vice President.

However, I don't think they would split the ticket. That said, if it were to happen in 2020 the Democrats would definitely try to split the administration and then move to impeach the Republican. The Republicans, not so much. They would give the opposition President his Vice President; they're just not wired to be ruthless.

Interestingly, the only election where this was a factor was the election of 1824, where only one party ran unopposed. Andrew Jackson beat John Quincy Adams but failed to reach an Electoral College majority. The House gave the election to Adams. John C. Calhoun was selected as the Vice President. All were from the same party, so Calhoun was effectively each candidate's running mate.

Jackson would win outright in 1828.

-PJ

52 posted on 07/27/2019 7:18:47 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (The 1st Amendment gives the People the right to a free press, not CNN the right to the 1st question.)
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