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To: ProgressingAmerica

You seem to have omitted London’s two emancipation proclamations made during the Revolution- Dunmore’s and Philipsburg.. And Britain abolishing its Atlantic slave trade in 1807, and abolishing slavery in its colonies in 1833.


3 posted on 07/15/2019 4:31:40 PM PDT by Pelham (Secure Voter ID. Mexico has it, because unlike us they take voting seriously)
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To: Pelham

I also omitted that Pennsylvania passed its emancipation act in 1780; that New York passed it’s emancipation act in 1799, and New Jersey in 1804.

Your point? I wanted to keep it small, focused on what Burke said. Do you take some issue with the point that it would in fact carry some oddity, especially after transporting over 3 million across the sea?


4 posted on 07/15/2019 4:43:07 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (We cannot leave history to "the historians" anymore.)
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To: Pelham

Abolishing the slave trade in 1807 you say? That would be quite interesting to American sailors forced into servitude on British ships by impressment until we kicked their ass in 1812.


8 posted on 07/15/2019 5:04:33 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: Pelham

Also you say slavery was abolished in the British colonies in 1833. But even that was British sophistry. They called India a possession of the British East India Company rather than a “colony”. Slavery was abolished in the possessions of the East India Company by the Indian Slavery Act, 1843.

Brits have always been quite willing to force people into servitude and keep them impoverished. Sometimes they changed the term for what they were doing, but the differences to the slave were purely academic, at best.


10 posted on 07/15/2019 5:08:54 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: Pelham
You seem to have omitted London’s two emancipation proclamations made during the Revolution- Dunmore’s and Philipsburg.. And Britain abolishing its Atlantic slave trade in 1807, and abolishing slavery in its colonies in 1833.

You have left out some important details.

In practical terms, only slaves below the age of six were freed in the colonies. Former slaves over the age of six were redesignated as "apprentices", and their servitude was abolished in two stages: the first set of apprenticeships came to an end on 1 August 1838, while the final apprenticeships were scheduled to cease on 1 August 1840. The Act specifically excluded "the Territories in the Possession of the East India Company, or to the Island of Ceylon, or to the Island of Saint Helena." The exceptions were eliminated in 1843.[17]

Payments to slave owners

The Act provided for payments to slave-owners. The amount of money to be spent on the payments was set at "the Sum of Twenty Million Pounds Sterling".[18] Under the terms of the Act, the British government raised £20 million (£16.5 billion in 2013 pounds, when calculated as wage values)[19] to pay out for the loss of the slaves as business assets to the registered owners of the freed slaves. In 1833, £20 million amounted to 40% of the Treasury's annual income[20] or approximately 5% of the British GDP[21] (5% of the British GDP in 2016 was around £100 billion).[22] To finance the payments, the British government had to take on a £15 million loan, finalised on 3 August 1835, with banker Nathan Mayer Rothschild and his brother-in-law Moses Montefiore. The money was not paid back until 2015.

It's not like, "Hey Presto" and it was done.
26 posted on 07/15/2019 10:31:28 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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