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To: asinclair

So, there’s precedence for including the question.

The big issue is that the long form is a research form, whereas its the entire census results that are used for apportioning Congressional Representatives.

I don’t know if the question of whether illegal aliens, or even guests on visas, constitute people that should be represented has ever been asked or answered. 3/5 is too much.


4 posted on 06/28/2019 9:08:21 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Pearls Before Swine; All
"I don’t know if the question of whether illegal aliens, or even guests on visas, constitute people that should be represented [emphasis added] has ever been asked or answered."

Depending on what you mean by represented, please consider the following.

In my opinion the excerpts below from the post-Civil War congressional record show that your question was asked and answered in the 19th century.

In fact, Section 2 of the 14th Amendment (below) seems to be a penalty for renegade states that manipulate the ballot box to weaken the voting power of their citizens. Insights welcome.

Also, I'd say that Democrats have been violating Section 2 because they desperately want to use the illegal votes of non-citizens to retain control of state powers that the corrupt feds have been stealing from the states. This also includes retaining control of state revenues that the feds have been stealing from the states in the form of unconstitutional federal taxes, taxes that the post-17th Amendment ratification feds cannot justify under Congress's constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers.

"Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States."Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.

From related threads …

Justice Roberts’ misguided (imo) opinion on this issue aside…

Today’s concern for voting fraud in renegade, Democratic-controlled states that allegedly want to use the illegal votes of undocumented Democrats to overthrow the constitutional republic is nothing new.

More specifically, the congressional record shows, regarding discussion related to the drafting of the 14th Amendment, that the federal government needs to know who its citizens are in order to be able to protect and defend the Constitution’s “Uniform rule of Naturalization Clause” (1.8.4) and Section 2 of the 14th Amendment.

Here are specific concerns about protecting the voting power of citizens and the Constitution.

Regarding PDJT's uncommon common sense argument that we don't want illegal alien criminals entering the US and harming US citizens, Justice Joseph Story had reflected this same concern decades before the civil war.

"…As the free inhabitants of each state were entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizens in all the other states, it followed, that a single state possessed the power of forcing into every other state, with the enjoyment of every immunity and privilege, any alien, whom it might choose to incorporate into its own society, however repugnant such admission might be to their polity, conveniencies, and even prejudices. …

… There is great wisdom, therefore, in confiding to the national government the power to establish a uniform rule of naturalization throughout the United States. It is of the deepest interest to the whole Union to know, who are entitled to enjoy the rights of citizens in each state, since they thereby, in effect, become entitled to the rights of citizens in all the states. If aliens might be admitted indiscriminately to enjoy all the rights of citizens at the will of a single state, the Union might itself be endangered by an influx of foreigners, hostile to its institutions, ignorant of its powers, and incapable of a due estimate of its privileges [emphases added]. …" —Justice Joseph Story, Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4 (Citizenship), Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution 3:§§ 1098--99, 1833.

It's not surprising that PDJT is keeping his eyes open for Democratic ballot box fraud in 2020 elections.

Patriots need to support PDJT in working with the states to allow only citizens who present valid citizenship / photo ID cards to be allowed to vote, such cards scannable and / or containing security chip to facilitate “vision-impaired” Democratic voting officials.

Patriots also need to elect a new patriot Congress in the 2020 elections that will not only promise to support PDJT's vision of MAGA, now KAG, but will also promise to uphold their oaths to protect and defend both citizens and the Constitution.

Remember in November 2020!

MAGA! Now KAG!

13 posted on 06/28/2019 10:01:06 AM PDT by Amendment10
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