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The climate stakes of speedy delivery
Axios ^ | June 21, 2019 | Erica Pandey

Posted on 06/21/2019 6:32:52 PM PDT by EdnaMode

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How soon before the left demands that all deliveries be transported via horse drawn wagon?
1 posted on 06/21/2019 6:32:52 PM PDT by EdnaMode
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Cheap, plentiful energy is one of the best signs of a prosperous society.


2 posted on 06/21/2019 6:35:13 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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It may be coming. But then, where will all the horses live and eat and go to the bathroom; what about that pollution?


3 posted on 06/21/2019 6:37:40 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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Monday I bought a few things for our Kitten on Amazon and they still have not shipped it ,D’oh


4 posted on 06/21/2019 6:45:03 PM PDT by butlerweave
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Something that liberals despise for reasons that defy my ability to figure out.


5 posted on 06/21/2019 6:50:08 PM PDT by wally_bert (Disc jockeys are as intwerchangeable as spark plugs.)
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Something that liberals despise for reasons that defy my ability to figure out.

"Liberals" actually "Progressives"/Leftists, want total, unbridled, political power.

The new weather religion of "Climate Change", gives them every reason to have total, unbridled, political power.

To push the scam, they have to be against cheap, plentiful energy.

6 posted on 06/21/2019 7:00:53 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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Thank you for the food for thought.

Been a long week and I am not thinking all that straight.


7 posted on 06/21/2019 7:04:10 PM PDT by wally_bert (Disc jockeys are as intwerchangeable as spark plugs.)
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Liberals won’t acknowledge this but environmentalism is way up on Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs. The harder life is day to day, the less people care about the environment. And environmentalism is a flop as a religion. Hubby and I enjoy watching live camera feeds from mainline rail arteries where trains more than two to three miles long are replete with Prime, FedEx, UPS and USPS containers and trailers and are a lot more efficient transcontinent than trucking. It is the lifeblood of the nation and a sign of hope for the middle class.


8 posted on 06/21/2019 7:31:14 PM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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9 posted on 06/21/2019 7:32:11 PM PDT by Ciaphas Cain (Polls don't lie, but liars poll.)
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Emissions from FedEx, the other major shipper, were 15.1 million metric tons in 2017. The U.S. Postal Service emitted about 4.3 million metric tons of CO2 in 2016. (Numbers from both include all mail, including e-commerce and personal packages and letters.)

At 20 pounds of CO2 per gallon of gas, that totals about 11 gallons of gas per person in the US.

10 posted on 06/21/2019 7:52:04 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Who's the leader of the club that feeds on dead babies? M-O-L... O-C-H... M-O-U-S-E.)
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At 20 pounds of CO2 per gallon of gas...

A gallon of gasoline weighs approximately 6 pounds.

So how do they reckon it gives off a more than 3X higher volume of waste than the initial product?

11 posted on 06/21/2019 7:59:57 PM PDT by Alas Babylon! (The media is after us. Trump's just in the way.)
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A gallon of gasoline weighs approximately 6 pounds.

So how do they reckon it gives off a more than 3X higher volume of waste than the initial product?

One molecule of CO2 weighs 3.66 times as much as its constituent carbon atom (12+2*16)/12.

If gasoline is pure octane (C8H18) it is 84% carbon, or about 5.3 pounds of carbon per gallon of gas which will produce 19.4 pounds per gallon. Play around with the mixture of hydrocarbon atoms and you'll get slightly different weights of CO2 produced.

12 posted on 06/21/2019 8:09:24 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Who's the leader of the club that feeds on dead babies? M-O-L... O-C-H... M-O-U-S-E.)
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The authors are ignorant of what shopping was like pre-Internet. I would often spend half of Saturday driving all over the place to many different stores trying to find the right parts I needed for a home project. Now I do the research online, find the part, order it, and it’s delivered to me in a day or two. The TOTAL miles driven today by the Amazon driver or the UPS driver is far below what I used to drive in the old days.

This is a flawed analysis.


13 posted on 06/21/2019 8:15:08 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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A gallon of gasoline weighs approximately 6 pounds. So how do they reckon it gives off a more than 3X higher volume of waste than the initial product?

It is basic chemistry.

Gasoline is a mix of hydrocarbons.

Hydrocarbons are some variant of CxHy. Methane is the simplist at CH4 (one carbon and four Hydrogen atoms forming a molecule of Methane). Methane is not in gasoline, because at room temperature and pressure, it is a gas(vapor).

Carbon has an atomic weight of 12, hydrogen an atomic weight of 1. When burned with oxygen in the air, the carbon atoms forms CO2, a molecule with one carbon and two oxygen atoms. The hydrogen atoms combine with oxygen to form water vapor H2O. CO2 has an molecular weight of 44. 12 for the carbon, 32 for the two oxygen atoms(16 each).

One atom of Carbon has a weight of 12, one molecule of CO2 has a weight of 44. So, a hydrocarbon molecule with several carbons and some hydrogen atoms produces Carbon dioxide at a ration of 12/44, with the hydrogens having much less effect because they only have an atomic wight of 1 each.

That is how you produce about 3X the weight of Carbon dioxide for each weight of Hydrocarbon burned.

It is the extra weight of the oxygen that boosts the weight of the carbon dioxide.

The volume is much, much more, because CO2 is a gas at ordinary temperatures, while the hydrocarbons in gasoline are a liqued.

14 posted on 06/21/2019 8:24:48 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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You did it better and faster than I did.

Congrats!

15 posted on 06/21/2019 8:25:57 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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This is a flawed analysis.

Good point. Next, we may have smaller, more efficient drones delivering packages.

16 posted on 06/21/2019 9:09:48 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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yes, if only we could go back to delivering everything by Conestoga Wagon, the planet would quit melting ...


17 posted on 06/21/2019 10:00:23 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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If Amazon was smart they’d offer a ‘7-day save the climate’ delivery option.

Let’s see how many of these pukes take them up on that.


18 posted on 06/22/2019 12:33:25 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Right on target. Failing to factor in the reduction due to taking all those cars on all those shopping trips off the road is a major flaw.


19 posted on 06/22/2019 3:00:25 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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We really need cheap matter transporters/receivers...


20 posted on 06/22/2019 4:08:06 AM PDT by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches, or Trump in general, while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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