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Hunting Elephants Will Help Them Survive
WSJ ^ | 20 June 2019 | Mokgweetsi Masisi president of Botswana.

Posted on 06/20/2019 11:52:41 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT

They’re magnificent creatures, but Botswana has too many of them in the wrong places.

Many well-meaning animal lovers in the West reacted with anguish when my government announced in May that Botswana would not renew a temporary ban on hunting elephants and other protected wildlife. Others reacted with anger. We were accused of greed, corruption and political pandering, of being willing to sacrifice one of God’s noblest creations for a few extra dollars from wealthy foreigners who enjoy shooting and killing things.

Even though their numbers have declined throughout the rest of Africa, our elephant population has exploded, from roughly 50,000 in the mid 1990s to more than 130,000 today. But in the wild they are not the gentle giants portrayed on television and film. As those who live alongside them know, elephants can be aggressive, violent and enormously dangerous.

So how does hunting help? First, lifting the ban will help local people protect themselves. In the past, when people were allowed to shoot rogue elephants who wandered into inhabited areas, conflict between humans and elephants was rare. If elephants learn that an area is dangerous, they will avoid it.

the key to successful wildlife conservation is “community-based resource management.” Put simply, habitat loss, poaching and other problems that threaten endangered species cannot be solved without the support of local people. To win that crucial support, elephants need to constitute a benefit, not a burden, to those who live side-by-side with them.

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Comment from WSJ: The population of game animals in this country is at (from the standpoint of historical records) an all time high. This not due to the efforts of PETA, or the Sierra Club, or the World Wildlife Federation, but rather to the efforts of hunters. Without a thriving game population, our way of life is dead. As most hunting-related conservation efforts revolve around habitat and game population management, these effort benefit all plants and animals that inhabit those habitats. Hunting is the only viable way to save the world's large mammals, and those who oppose hunting are in effect proposing extinction as the alternative.
1 posted on 06/20/2019 11:52:41 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Nonsense! People there, in the country, have no idea what they are talking about.
Only outraged leftists, with all the feeeeeeeeeeeeels know what is best!


2 posted on 06/20/2019 12:00:23 PM PDT by vpintheak (Stop making stupid people famous!)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Fair is fair. Shoot elephants wandering into human populated areas, and poachers going into elephant populated areas.


3 posted on 06/20/2019 12:04:45 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: vpintheak

Only outraged leftists, with all the feeeeeeeeeeeeels know what is best!

They might change their point of view after feeeeeeeeeeeeeling the strength of that rogue elephant crushing them in to the earth?


4 posted on 06/20/2019 12:08:55 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message.)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

Now that is an excellent suggestion!


5 posted on 06/20/2019 12:10:32 PM PDT by cbvanb
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Shooting Elephants is NOT ok.


6 posted on 06/20/2019 12:15:02 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (luke 6:38)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Of course leftists want to kill more elephants.

Personally, rather put down donkeys.


7 posted on 06/20/2019 12:15:38 PM PDT by C210N (You can vote your way into Socialism; but, you have to shoot your way out of it.)
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covfefe


8 posted on 06/20/2019 12:16:27 PM PDT by redshawk (0pansy is a Liar and Hates.........he just hates!)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

There are a few African countries where this happens one way or another?.

Three poachers have been killed and two others injured following a gun battle with rangers at a Kenyan wildlife reserve.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/elephant-poachers-shot-dead-kenya-wildlife-reserve-mount-elgon-national-park-a8388246.html


9 posted on 06/20/2019 12:18:10 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message.)
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To: Finalapproach29er

And why is that? Because YOU’VE pronounced it so...?


10 posted on 06/20/2019 12:20:27 PM PDT by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired... Army snipers: Reach out and touch someone)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

EXACTLY CORRECT.

Fyi, some of my friends have said that they were “aghast” that I’m planning a Fall 2020 hunt for Cape Buffalo & (hopefully) to take a male leopard, as they believe that Cape Buffalo & leopards are in danger of extinction. = Fwiw, there are MORE of BOTH species in Sub-Saharan Africa in 2019 than were alive in the year 1600AD.

In fact, in 2018 a leopard was shot INSIDE the National Museum of the RSA (I’m sure that the visit by an adult leopard was “rather exciting” to the museum’s staff & visitors.) & another prowling leopard was killed by a police officer in the Mayor of Jo’burg’s back garden.

The TRUTH is that TROPHY HUNTING is a POSITIVE GOOD for the local natives, the PH’s employees & the overall welfare of the game animals too.

EXAMPLE: A longtime friend of mine from Kerrville, TX collected a Cape Buffalo with her crossbow in 2017 & “Guide Girl” said that she was “fascinated” that within 20 minutes of the Buff being field-dressed that a crowd of local natives appeared like magic with knives/pots/pans/baskets & within another 1/2 hour that all that remained of the Cape Buff was a pool of blood & a pile of bones.
“GG” said at a 2018 meeting of our crossbow club that NOT even one pound of edible meat was wasted.

The same thing occurred in the Fall of last year when “GG” & husband returned to Africa to hunt “plains game”. - Her husband told me recently that “the bush country telegraph” is very efficient in informing hungry folks that there is FRESH MEAT available free for their families use.

Note: In both countries where “GG”/husband hunted, ONE THIRD of the trophy fee for each animal slain was given to the local folks within a 20KM radius.

Yours, TMN78247


11 posted on 06/20/2019 12:21:07 PM PDT by TMN78247 ("VICTORY or DEATH", William Barrett Travis, LtCol, comdt., Fortress of the Alamo, Bejar, 1836)
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To: Finalapproach29er

Shooting Elephants is NOT ok.

Not the best, true.
And we all know the ‘best is the enemy of the good’.

So what is your plan?


12 posted on 06/20/2019 12:21:37 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
It's the same things with deer or any other game animals.
We know approximately how many there are, how many will be born, die and how many are safe to take (hunt) and still maintain a stable, healthy population.
Not hunting causes overpopulation, starvation and suffering.

Same for elephants. Plus the revenue from hunters paying for the privilege help fund the conservation effort.

Leftists talk a lot about "Sustainable Development" but they don't really know what it means. This is an example.
It does not mean zero hunting, it means responsible hunting.

13 posted on 06/20/2019 12:26:34 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Kenya ended elephant hunting in 1973. At the time elephant hunting was banned, the population was estimated at 250,000 to 275,000 elephants. By 1990, the population had fallen to below 25,000. Without Western hunters (not all were/are American) and without the revenue they brought to Kenya, the country lacked the funds for anti-poaching operations, habitat improvement and other programs that benefitted not only elephants, but other animals as well.


14 posted on 06/20/2019 12:26:41 PM PDT by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired... Army snipers: Reach out and touch someone)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

It’s tough. Elephants take up a lot of space and require a lot of resources and are destructive to agriculture. Human population in elephant areas has mushroomed (Kenya went from 14 million humans in 1976 to almost 50 million today).

Controlled game management is necessary.


15 posted on 06/20/2019 12:30:33 PM PDT by karnage
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To: TMN78247

Good for you and good luck! While I haven’t hunted Africa and probably never will, here’s wishing you safe travels and a safe hunt!

If you haven’t read Capstick’s books or seen his videos (I have all of both), by all means do so; it’ll make your leopard hunt much more exciting.

Oh, and by all means don’t tell your friends how many elephants are culled in Africa every year. A very good friend and former Rhodesian Ranger/sniper is paid to kill quite a few elephants in Krueger every year. While he appreciates the money, he laments the fact that, because of the stigma attached to elephant hunting and restrictions on importation of elephant parts, hundreds go to waste every year.

As Jim Quinn, a long-time radio host has often said, “Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent.”


16 posted on 06/20/2019 12:39:46 PM PDT by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired... Army snipers: Reach out and touch someone)
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To: TMN78247

Same thing happened when I shot my Cape Buffalo. The protein the locals get is when the hunters share their animal with them.

In the minds of the PETA types, it is better to kill off a whole village than to shoot an elephant, cpae buffalo, etc.


17 posted on 06/20/2019 12:40:43 PM PDT by Glennb51
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To: Telepathic Intruder

On my safaris, it was stated that poachers were on license.


18 posted on 06/20/2019 12:42:21 PM PDT by Glennb51
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To: TMN78247

within 20 minutes of the Buff being field-dressed that a crowd of local natives appeared like magic with knives/pots/pans/baskets & within another 1/2 hour that all that remained of the Cape Buff was a pool of blood & a pile of bones.

For me eating the flesh of the kill is almost a sacrament.
I’d rather not shoot it if it is not to be eaten, or trying to eat me.


19 posted on 06/20/2019 12:56:43 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
I love Africa...I've visited several times and seen things at national parks that are simply of indescribable awe. However I'm most certainly no expert on African wildlife. But I know enough to understand that rhinos and elephants are under serious pressure due to poachers.

If limited hunting brought in serious cash which was funneled to park security against poachers then it might be worthwhile.

20 posted on 06/20/2019 12:58:02 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (A joke: Comey,Brennan and Lynch walk into a Barr...)
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