- Dawkins - we are merely lumbering robots doing the bidding of selfish genes created by a blind watchmaker in a universe of blind pitiless indifference without good or evil.
- Rosenberg we have an illusion that thoughts really are about stuff in the world - we live with the myths that we have purposes that give our actions and lives meaning - and that there is a person in there steering our body.
- Provine - no ultimate foundation for ethics exists - no ultimate meaning in life exists and human free will is nonexistent.
- Pinker - brains are shaped for fitness, not for truth
- Ruse - ethics is an illusion created by our genes to deceive us morality is an adaptation.
- Harris - Free will is an illusion. Our wills are simply not of our own making
. You will do whatever it is you do, and it is meaningless to assert that you could have done otherwise.
- Coyne - You are robots made out of meat - behavior is absolutely determined by the laws of physics
That is the infinite regress and the sort of annoying thing about determinism. Its turtles all the way down.
- Dennett - Nobody is conscious - we are all zombies - Darwinism is like a universal acid; it eats through just about every traditional concept and leaves in its wake a revolutionized world-view.
To: Heartlander
vs. you are created in the image of God.
2 posted on
06/11/2019 8:26:55 AM PDT by
PeterPrinciple
(Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
To: Heartlander
brains are shaped for fitness, not for truth
I don’t have a clue what that means.
3 posted on
06/11/2019 8:28:03 AM PDT by
PeterPrinciple
(Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
To: Heartlander
We are robots made out of meat, which is what Im going to try to convince you of today. He's addressing his fellow MSM-Democrat liberals.
5 posted on
06/11/2019 8:36:20 AM PDT by
Steely Tom
([Seth Rich] == [the Democrat's John Dean])
To: Heartlander
the materialist cultural and scientific hegemony. Consciousness has an identity and a nature. It is an immaterial entity. This fact is self evident by the act of introspection. It is an example of the law of identity and the law of causality.
6 posted on
06/11/2019 8:38:02 AM PDT by
mjp
((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
To: Heartlander
“I am a meat popsicle.”
Love, Corbin Dallas
7 posted on
06/11/2019 9:08:02 AM PDT by
NonValueAdded
(#Dregs #DeplorableMe #BitterClinger #HillNO! #cishet #MyPresident #MAGA #Winning #covfefe #BuildIt)
To: Heartlander
Here’s another problem with materialism: the only thing that anyone can have absolute, direct evidence of is immaterial!
What I mean is that we only really at the end of the day have the evidence of our own consciousness, which is an immaterial thing. Every other kind of evidence requires us to make unprovable assumptions before we can take it into account. Even to believe that some outside world exists to match up with the sensations we experience subjectively requires some leaps that can never be scientifically established.
Yet science would rather deny the existence of the immaterial thing upon which all the rest of our logic and deductions are built, than to admit that the immaterial is can be as real as the material.
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