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Americans, French, Germans give America credit for Nazism's Defeat
YouGov ^ | 2018 | Elise Czajkowski

Posted on 06/08/2019 7:35:58 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege

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The chart compares French public opinion in 1945 vs. 2018.

It's a reminder that up until the end, and due to the unlearned lessons of the First World War: the idea of an America-led victory in the war was not en vogue throughout large swaths of Europe, and most especially scoffed at by the elite. France was largely split between Nazi-sympathizers on one end and Bolshevik-socialists on the other.

Members of The French Resistance on the other hand, likely were more sympathetic to the US/UK effort, but they were in the minority.


1 posted on 06/08/2019 7:35:58 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

There was a lot more fighting on the eastern front.


2 posted on 06/08/2019 7:38:54 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

By their awful actions after the war - during the cold war, by suppressing freedom and wielding a ruthless dictatorship for the next 4 decades, the Russians squandered whatever goodwill they had in France in 1945.


3 posted on 06/08/2019 7:39:37 AM PDT by nwrep
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Popular opinion was that the Germans were sure to win the war, with room for Soviet Union to make a dent in sort of Hitler vs. Stalin/Fascism vs. Communism showdown.


4 posted on 06/08/2019 7:40:29 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

History says Russia gutted the German military.


5 posted on 06/08/2019 7:40:46 AM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
The Russians were partners with the Nazis until Hitler stupidly turned on them. Then, with no other choice, they did their best to defeat them.

Their greatest contribution to the effort was dying in tragically large numbers, keeping the Nazis busy on the Western front until they ran low on ammunition.

6 posted on 06/08/2019 7:41:13 AM PDT by dead (Our next president is going to be sooooo boring.)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Indeed. D-Day should have been postponed one year to give the Nazis and Communists more time to kill each other.


7 posted on 06/08/2019 7:41:20 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I think Russia did more than any other one nation in defeating Germany during the Second World War.


8 posted on 06/08/2019 7:44:29 AM PDT by Trump20162020
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History says Russia gutted the German military. Yes militarily this is true, but ideologically their cause was just as hateful and murderous. Defeating Nazi-ISM, and killing a bunch of Germans are two different things in my opinion. And because anti-Semitism was so widespread in France, most people fell into either pro-Hitler or pro-Stalin factions...Only members of the Resistance had belief in the American/British dimension of the effort.
9 posted on 06/08/2019 7:45:16 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: BenLurkin

The Russian were already at the Gates of Warsaw in June, 1944. In another year, they would have taken Berlin.

And ALL of Germany and Austria would have been occupied by Russia.

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Indeed. D-Day should have been postponed one year to give the Nazis and Communists more time to kill each other.


10 posted on 06/08/2019 7:48:39 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with islamic terrorists - they want to die for allah and we want to kill them.)
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To: Trump20162020; SkyDancer
I think Russia did more than any other one nation in defeating Germany during the Second World War.

Militarily maybe...Ideologically, and in all the ways that truly mattered: not so much.


11 posted on 06/08/2019 7:52:25 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: DIRTYSECRET

True, there was more fighting on the Eastern Front...but without Western and especially American material aid, and without about 80% of Luftwaffe resources being siphoned off to deal with the Anglo-American bombing campaign, Germany almost certainly wins on the Eastern Front.

The 66 German divisions devoted to fighting the Anglo-American armies in North Africa and Western Europe as well as the 7,000 Flak 88 anti aircraft/anti tank guns devoted to defending against Western AirPower were also a massive drain on resources - not to mention the bomb damage done to Germany.


12 posted on 06/08/2019 7:53:41 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

That’s dramatic. Yeah, we had to stuff the Krauts twice within 30 years’ time.


13 posted on 06/08/2019 7:57:04 AM PDT by Migraine
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Russia was also a much bigger country, the size of Russia was more than the other territories the Nazis occupied combined.


14 posted on 06/08/2019 8:01:30 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Migraine

Once all the Germans were warlike and mean,
But that couldn’t happen again.
We taught them a lesson in 1918
And they’ve hardly bothered us since then.

-Tom Lehrer


15 posted on 06/08/2019 8:02:18 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: FLT-bird

The war hystory is heavily distorted on both sides but more so on the Western side.
That basically comes out of the fact that it was written by the defeated German officers and reinforced by Cold War stereotypes.
Their general excuses are Hitler’s insanity and winter which is nothing but bull for the most part.


16 posted on 06/08/2019 8:02:42 AM PDT by NorseViking
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Maybe if Stalin didn’t agree to carve up Poland with Hitler, Russia wouldn’t have had to fight the Nazis.


17 posted on 06/08/2019 8:03:12 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: DIRTYSECRET; BenLurkin
There were about 4.7 million German military deaths in WWII and about 3.5 million of those were killed by the Russians. Of course the Russians were using a lot of equipment and weapons supplied by America and other allies, specifically the Brits.

Without Russia in the War Hitler would have controlled the European continent for many more years.

Without America, Russia would not have been able to sustain a War with Germany.

With America and Russia fighting the same foe, Germany was doomed.

18 posted on 06/08/2019 8:06:02 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (California: knowingly give someone aids: misdemeanor. Give them a straw, go to jail.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

The fact is, Stalin signed that Non-Aggression Pact in 1939, in the hopes that Germany would defeat England and France.


19 posted on 06/08/2019 8:06:57 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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By the way, to put that American material aid in context:

It’s true Russia only received 7,000 tanks which was only about 15% of their tank strength.....as they’ll be quick to tell you.

What they won’t be so quick to tell you about is that at a time of critical food shortage due to the loss of their breadbasket, Ukraine, America sent them enough food to feed a 10 million man army for the duration of the war.

Remember those brutal winters that killed lots of Germans due to exposure? America sent Russia 15 million pairs of warm felt lined boots.

America supplied 1/3 of Russia’s explosives.

America provided 2,000 locomotives at a time when Russia produced 200.

America provided 100% of aviation fuel early on when Russia refining capacity for high octane aviation fuel was knocked out.

America provided 450,000 trucks - which is THE thing that enabled the Red Army to supply its forces more than just very short distances from their supply bases. This was Germany’s single biggest weakness. They had to rely on horses which are slower, can’t carry as much and require far more manpower. The heavy American Studebaker trucks were what the Russians mounted their iconic Katyusha rockets on.

The list goes on and on. Everything you can imagine - especially industrial equipment. The Russians supplied the Manpower and paid a high price in blood - but there’s no way they survive without America’s vast supplies feeding and equipping them.


20 posted on 06/08/2019 8:07:18 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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