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‘Ode to Joy’ has an odious history. Let’s give Beethoven’s most overplayed symphony a rest
Toronto Star ^ | 6/26/2018 | John Terauds

Posted on 06/05/2019 9:35:54 AM PDT by Borges

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To: dfwgator

That song was absent from the novel.

Another notable change from the novel was Georgie being a policeman after Alex was released from prison after the Ludovico technique brainwash; in the book, Georgie was killed during a botched robbery while Alex was still in prison, and the policeman with Dim was Billyboy. (Alex also committed another murder while in prison; he killed a fellow inmate who tried to rape him.)


21 posted on 06/05/2019 9:51:01 AM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Borges

This is simply another attack against Christianity, because Jesus says, “These things I have spoken to you that My joy may remain in you, and that your joy may be full.” (John 15:11). Christians having joy in their faith is an incitement to the heathen.

The only joy we see among the ungodly today is when an elderly man in a MAGA hat is knocked to the ground and threatened, as shown in the jolly video from the streets of London yesterday. Look at the faces of the bystanders and see evil joy.


22 posted on 06/05/2019 9:51:46 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Borges

23 posted on 06/05/2019 9:52:46 AM PDT by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: TexasM1A

Beethoven’s 9th Symphony, especially the 4th movement, has been, is and most likely will forever remain mankind’s greatest musical expression. The music speaks for its self.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bgSOeGKifI


24 posted on 06/05/2019 9:53:22 AM PDT by Captain Compassion (I'm just sayin')
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To: Borges
Two days ago, Canada admitted the following:

Canada 'complicit in race-based genocide' of indigenous women

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48503545

I would think this author should take up arms againt the genocide instead of fretting over whether Beethoven was a tad too idealistic.

25 posted on 06/05/2019 9:53:52 AM PDT by edwinland
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To: Borges

Good grief ...now even music needs its PC credentials. This author should go reproduce himself and assume room temperature.


26 posted on 06/05/2019 9:54:06 AM PDT by exPBRrat (.)
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To: Borges

“Ode to Joy” has the distinction of bearing easy enough for a 6 year old to learn how to play on piano in a relatively short time, and make it sound like he’s been playing for a year already.


27 posted on 06/05/2019 9:54:54 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: Borges

My, they do project, don’t they? Unity is now to be discouraged in place of the god Diversity, and anything alluding to it must be suppressed. This is not presented as an argument, it’s presented as an immutable principle. By an idiot.

Beethoven was certainly political, however - he famously tore up his dedication of the 3d Symphony when Napoleon declared himself Emperor. He’d mistaken Napoleon for a liberator. Quite a few Enlightenment believers did and would quickly find out differently.

Still, Schiller’s Ode isn’t to Unity, it’s to Joy. And it wasn’t expropriated by Hitler at all except for the fact that Hitler liked it. It has, however, been expropriated by the European Union as an anthem. I’m guessing old Ludwig would have torn that one up too but he wasn’t around to ask.


28 posted on 06/05/2019 9:57:11 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Borges

Obviously all of Canada’s other problems have been solved and they’re now down to this, eh?


29 posted on 06/05/2019 9:58:48 AM PDT by bigbob (Trust Trump. Trust the Plan.)
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To: Borges

So just because some
Miscreants like this timeless classical piece, it should be rejected? I don’t think so. These Leftists fools need to be horse whipped.


30 posted on 06/05/2019 9:59:20 AM PDT by semaj (We are the People)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Hitler liked abortion too. Why the disparity?


31 posted on 06/05/2019 9:59:29 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: Borges

Sacreligious folderol. Beethoven’s Ninth — particularly the Chorale — is the finest piece of music ever written. Bar none.

Beethoven did not write the libretto. It was derived from a poem — “An die Freude” (”Ode to Joy”) — by Friedrich Schiller in 1785. Beethoven adopted the sentiments of the poem to extoll a vision of a world united in brotherhood and the sheer splendor of life itself — the commonality of humanity. Just because the paltry humans of the early nineteenth century (and our own) cannot rise to the glorious vision in those words doesn’t mean we shouldn’t aspire to them.

It strikes me that this author is tired of being reminded of his own inadequacy, and is seeking to stifle the voices that prod his conscience.


32 posted on 06/05/2019 9:59:51 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: Borges

The author is kind of treating Naziism like it was a normal (if bad) development or maybe even the ultimate expression of German culture, and not like it was a cancer, all the worst things in that society and period of time and circumstances that came together.


33 posted on 06/05/2019 10:00:27 AM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: Borges

What an ignorant article. Beethoven was a famous “little d” democrat at a time of kings and emperors and aristocrats. He was a champion of personal liberty and immediately and violently turned against the dictator Napoleon as soon as Boneparte had himself declared emperor. The Allies adopted the opening of Beethoven’s 5th as their symbol. Unlike this ignoramus, they understood that Beethoven was a champion of freedom - not tyranny.


34 posted on 06/05/2019 10:01:53 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: NorthMountain

Hitler was also a fanatical anti smoker, loved extremely strict gun control and was vehemently opposed to state’s rights. :^)


35 posted on 06/05/2019 10:03:54 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: TexasM1A

> These fools have WAY to much time on their hands. <

I see it a bit differently. Many of today’s liberals are really fascists. And this was a probe: Let’s see if we can get a symphony banned for not being up to our PC standards.

Recall how Laura Ingalls Wilder’s “Little House on the Prairie” book recently got banned from many libraries. The complainers weren’t bored readers. They were fascists trying to control society.

And these guys are winning round after round.


36 posted on 06/05/2019 10:04:10 AM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: Borges; haffast

Then there’s this...

Appalachian-Irish scholar Cletus D. Yokel analyzed these intersections and the good-evil paradox in an insightful book, Tupac’s “Thug’s Life”: A Political History. Yokel argued that Thug’s Life” was the right piece of music at the right time — socially, politically and aesthetically.


37 posted on 06/05/2019 10:05:16 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (No dolphins were harmed in the making of this post. They enjoyed the rough handling.)
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To: Borges

Music by R. Wagner is judged with the same nervous ambivalence by some. While others refuse to worry about it.

I.E., Ice Cream is ice cream, regardless of who’s making it.
Either you like this flavor or you have no use for it.
So don’t buy it.
How else would Ben & Jerry’s have survived?


38 posted on 06/05/2019 10:05:34 AM PDT by lee martell
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To: FLT-bird

There is nothing Nazi-like in Beethoven. I am tired of anti-western “thinkers” who see a proto-Nazi in every great German from the past.


39 posted on 06/05/2019 10:05:34 AM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: C210N

Hitler liked dogs. I like dogs. Does that make me a Hitler wannabe?


40 posted on 06/05/2019 10:06:41 AM PDT by Avalon Memories (This Deplorable is not fooled by the Marxist-Stalinist totalitarians infesting the Dem Party.)
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