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To: Don Corleone
-- SCOTUS will ultimately decide. --

Arguably, it already did.

In Miller, weapons that have a military use are in the scope of the 2nd amendment. All Circuit Courts interpret Miller for the opposite of what it says, and SCOTUS, given may oppotunities to correct the Circuits, is fine with what the Circuit Courts read Miller for..

In Heller, arms and devices that have been banned a long time, ergo "not in common civilian use," the ban is constitutional. This was done so that bans on military arms (in particular, the M-16 and others banned by 1986 Act) would stand.

On the 2nd amendment, the courts are full of garbage. But, they have the government behind them so, like the Mafia, I'll do whatever they say, otherwise they will kill me. Has nothing to do with "right and wrong," or "rule of law." It's law of the jungle, and the government abhors power to the people.

28 posted on 06/04/2019 8:59:08 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
In Heller, arms and devices that have been banned a long time, ergo "not in common civilian use," the ban is constitutional. This was done so that bans on military arms (in particular, the M-16 and others banned by 1986 Act) would stand.

When circuit courts disagree, SCOTUS settles the dispute. What happens when SCOTUS disagrees with itself? As far as I know, Miller has not been overturned, simply ignored. Did anyone cite Miller during the Heller arguments?

Nice to see you, BTW

55 posted on 06/04/2019 9:26:08 AM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Cboldt

“In Heller, arms and devices that have been banned a long time, ergo “not in common civilian use,” the ban is constitutional. This was done so that bans on military arms (in particular, the M-16 and others banned by 1986 Act) would stand.”


I forgot exactly where I saw it, but there is also a USSC ruling that the effects of a law cannot be utilized to prove that the law was constitutional when enacted. The ONLY reason that there aren’t 5 million or 25 million full auto M16s or M4s out there is BECAUSE of the ‘86 act (and also the ‘34 NFA). These laws made them not in common use.

For that matter, the entire “in common use” argument is fallacious. Congress can issue Letters of Marque and Reprisal to private citizens (or, presumably, to companies). When issued during the Revolutionary War by the Continental Congress (arguably pre-Constitution), they were issued to those individuals who owned ships with many cannon on them - and I guarantee that this was not “common” in any fashion, as one had to be enormously wealthy to own such equipment. Ditto for the War of 1812 (arguably POST-Constitution), when identical practices were followed, and Letters given to similarly enormously wealthy people (i.e. these ships were not in common use).

Yes, I’m saying that the Supreme Court is just plain wrong in this aspect of the Heller decision - but the practical reality is that this language probably had to be put in to get a majority that otherwise pretty well affirmed the 2nd Amendment. We shall have to wait for a more favorable Court (i.e. sans Breyer and Ginsburg, hopefully both of whom will be replaced soon by Trump).


72 posted on 06/04/2019 9:52:13 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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