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On this date in 1864

Posted on 06/03/2019 5:19:21 AM PDT by Bull Snipe

Union General George Meade launches 3 corps of his Army of the Potomac against the Confederate Army of Northern Virginia’s works near Cold Harbor. Meade’s assault is a failure. Over 7000 Union casualties and not one foot of ground gained. Lieutenant General Grant, in ordering Meade to make the attack, called it the worst mistake he ever made.


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To: Celtic Conservative

Grant was not a genius. All he ever did was throw more men at the south than they could handle.


21 posted on 06/03/2019 6:46:36 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: DiogenesLamp

IMO: Grant was very adept at maneuver warfare he showed that in the Vicksburg campaign. When he came east he realized the Army of the Potomac was not the Army of the Tennessee. Where before he had a rapier, now he had a big heavy club. And that’s how he used it.


22 posted on 06/03/2019 6:48:37 AM PDT by Reily
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To: DiogenesLamp

“When you have a four to one manpower advantage, and a huge industrial base to back you up, it’s inevitable that you will win in the long run.”

McClellan, Burnside, Pope and Hooker all had those advantages, did they win? Being able to use those advantages to gain victory is Generalship.


23 posted on 06/03/2019 7:36:25 AM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: excalibur21

And if not ruthless, at least tenacious. It was his dogged persistence, not any tactical brilliance, that won for the Union.


24 posted on 06/03/2019 7:46:46 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: littleharbour

Antietam?

Or Appomattox?


25 posted on 06/03/2019 7:50:31 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Celtic Conservative
Grant, for all his genius had some world class goofs to his name.

Yes, well we all can't order the attacks at Malvern Hill and Pickett's Charge.

26 posted on 06/03/2019 8:38:06 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: excalibur21
I doubt that he could be classified a genius but, he certainly was ruthless.

Where's the dividing line between the two?

27 posted on 06/03/2019 8:42:55 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Bulwyf
Grant was not a genius. All he ever did was throw more men at the south than they could handle.

In other words Grant realized what it would take to beat Lee and bring the war to an end, something that escaped all his predecessors. And that's not genius?

28 posted on 06/03/2019 8:44:42 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Bull Snipe

It took less than an hour and they were still recovering and burying bodies long after the war.


29 posted on 06/03/2019 8:47:49 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: Bulwyf

Amature generals think tactics.

Professional generals think logistics.

Grant and Lee were both logistical wizards. Grant was blessed with superabundance while Lee was cursed with chronic shortages much like Washington was.


30 posted on 06/03/2019 9:09:45 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: fella
It took less than an hour and they were still recovering and burying bodies long after the war.

That's true of almost any battlefield from any war.

31 posted on 06/03/2019 9:21:42 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Bull Snipe

Had nothing to do with usage. Meade (at Gettysburg) and then Grant were the first in the East who were willing to pay the Butcher’s Bill.

When Meade and then Grant got hit hard, they didn’t fall back, they kept moving.

Lincoln gave Meade a hard time about letting Lee get away after Gettysburg, but, the weather had more to do with that than Lee or Meade. Meade followed as fast as he could get the army to move. He still had 2 fresh Corps in his Army, while Lee had nothing left.

Meade gets the short stick on a lot of things that happened because Grant was the overall Commander of the US forces. He should be remembered better.


32 posted on 06/03/2019 9:26:39 AM PDT by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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To: Conan the Librarian

Meade was a very capable General. You are correct, Grant’s decision to co locate his headquarters near the Army of the Potomac overshadowed Meade’s accomplishments as Commander of the Army of the Potomac


33 posted on 06/03/2019 9:37:23 AM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe
On this date in 1864, Jefferson Davis celebrated his 56th birthday.

On this date in some unidentified year, Billy Joe McAllister jumped off the Tallahatchie Bridge.

34 posted on 06/03/2019 10:11:03 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Bull Snipe
My own personal theory on McClellan was that his heart really wasn't into it. About the others I know next to nothing because I don't really focus on the battles. So far as i'm concerned, the only conflict of any importance is the one that got it started.

Once it was started, there was a very high probability the North would win it if the will to win it was retained, and Lincoln very much had the will to win it. As I've said, he was far more willing to tolerate the loss of life than was George III.

35 posted on 06/03/2019 10:35:13 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no o<ither sovereignty.")
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To: DoodleDawg

There’s nothing genius about throwing thousands and thousands of lives away.


36 posted on 06/03/2019 10:48:15 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: IronJack
And if not ruthless, at least tenacious. It was his dogged persistence, not any tactical brilliance, that won for the Union.

Every other commander of the Army of the Potomac, upon being defeated on a single day, would retreat back to their base. Grant, beaten at the Wilderness, didn't retreat, and instead began working his way around Lee, boxing him in. In a few weeks, Lee was reduced to end-game stalling.

37 posted on 06/03/2019 11:05:11 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels."--Tom Waits)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Think you are correct. McClellan was a soft war man. Use just enough war to get the Confederates to the conference table. McClellan supported that view as the Democrat Presidential candidate in 1864. He was also one of the few officers that had seen what the killing power modern infantry weapons could do. he had been an observer in the Crimean war.

“he was far more willing to tolerate the loss of life than was George III.”

He was also smarter than King George III in that he believed one war at a time was enough.


38 posted on 06/03/2019 11:06:35 AM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Bulwyf
There’s nothing genius about throwing thousands and thousands of lives away.

Unless you win. Lee threw thousands and thousands of lives away as well. In fact while Grant commanded armies for about 4 or 5 months longer than Lee did, Lee had a greater total number of casualties among the troops under his command than Grant did. And Lee lost.

39 posted on 06/03/2019 11:08:12 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Bull Snipe
McClellan was a soft war man.

Balderdash. Lee and Grant fought to win, and would do whatever it took to achieve their objective because winning as what was important to them. McClellan fought not to lose, because his reputation mattered more to him than victory did.

40 posted on 06/03/2019 11:11:36 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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