Posted on 05/29/2019 12:37:41 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
...However, the sacrifice of the Mass is not a new offering for sin but a participation anew in Christ’s one Sacrifice of Calvary that culminated in everlasting glory in the heavenly sanctuary.
Consider the larger context of Hebrews 10:11-18 (ealgeone wrote a larger context so that’s better...)
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Here [in Heb 10:9-18] the author of Hebrews compares the sacrifices of Old Covenant priests, which had to be offered repeatedly, with the one sacrifice of Christ. Some of these Old sacrifices were offered daily (Heb. 10:11), and some less frequently, like the annual Passover and Yom Kippur/Day of Atonement sacrifices. The author of Hebrews makes the argument that Jesus fulfills the Day of Atonement sacrifices in Hebrews 9, especially verses 11-14.
Because Christ’s one sacrifice culminated in everlasting glory, he continues to offer it in the heavenly sanctuary on our behalf (Heb. 8:1-3). That’s why he holds his priesthood permanently (Heb. 7:23-25), even now interceding on our behalf (Heb. 9:23-24).
So Jesus is the high priest of heaven (CCC 662-64, 1137-39), and he always lives to make intercession for us. The Sacrifice of the Mass is our participation anew in Christ’s one continuing sacrifice, through which he always lives to make intercession for us (Heb. 7:23-25). This mean that the eucharistic sacrifice has continuing atoning power for the sins we commit daily (CCC 1366).
Jesus’ one sacrifice is made sacramentally present and offered anew at every Mass according to the order of Melchizedek, i.e., under the forms of bread and wine (Gen. 14:18-20, Heb. 5:7-10, Matt. 26:26-29, Luke 22:19-20; see CCC 1333, 1355, 1544). Consequently, the words of the Lord’s Prayer—“Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven”—are nowhere more profoundly fulfilled than in the Mass, because heaven and earth are united in a most perfect way that further fosters the redemption of mankind.
For more information on the intimate connection between the heavenly liturgy and the sacrifice of the Mass, see Pope Paul VI, Credo of the People of God, 24-26).
Source: https://www.catholic.com/qa/why-the-mass-when-theres-no-need-for-sin-offering
So are you willing to debate on the merits of what I actually believe, or are you going to go back to the script full of strawmen?
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I’m willing to debate you on the merits, or lack thereof, about what you actually believe when I have the time and the inclination to do so. But you need to understand that I have a life to live other than explaining to people like you why you’re beliefs are mistaken. So anything you post to me will get a response, but not always promptly. Now be a good boy and go find a nice priest to confess your many sins to. Bye.
No, it’s faith that saves you.
The works are evidence that the faith is saving faith but since they are the product of faith, they do not contribute any thing to the getting or staying saved.
The works simply identify the kind of faith that has been exercised.
And with that simple statement, you just revealed that you have no clue about what regeneration is all about.
For context,you really have to look at the whole Epistle to the Hebrews, and the connection both with Abraham/Melchizedek and Malachi 1:11 -- the "pure" offering "from the rising to the setting of the sun" to be offered in future time "among the Gentiles". Hm. What would that be?
All of this is so beautiful and so meaningful.
Amen.
Good luck!
(And Happy Easter)
I think there are plenty of places to
find such a list on the interwebs but
if you misunderstand the very basic Catholic
fundamentals then a list will do you no good.
One of the things that prevents me from even wanting to go back to being a Roman Catholic is that I would have to give up my assurance of salvation that God promised me when I received Jesus Christ as my Savior. I would be accused of committing the "sin of presumption"
personally as a Catholic I feel that I have a
more than sufficient assurance of salvation already,
I do my best to live in a state of Grace but
Christ Jesus is my final and only judge in
that regard and I cannot presume that from Him.
- odd since denying that we can KNOW we have eternal life is like calling God a liar. I won't do that and I suggest others shouldn't do it either!
No one is denying that we have eternal life
where one spends that eternity, Heaven or Hell is
the question.
Boasting that God has promised you ,
your pals or anyone else for that matter an
eternity in Heaven is what is presumptuous and
that could go sideways on you.
Just sayin...
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No, it’s faith that saves you.
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I’m not arguing that point but I am saying that if you think you will be saved simply by faith without the manifestation of it in what you do and don’t do in your life, you are sadly mistaken. And there are numerous passages of scripture that confirm that. There are countless people who talk about their salvation through faith who completely ignore the admonitions of Christ and the apostles regarding how to conduct one’s life. Such people are in for a rude and terrifying awakening at the hour of their death.
And with that simple statement, you just revealed that you have no clue about what regeneration is all about.
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Really? So tell me your understanding of what regeneration is all about.
Mankind in his natural born state is spiritually dead to God.
Regeneration happens when by placing our faith in Christ abd His finished work on the cross, The Holy Spirit gives us new spiritual life, that is now alive to God and can relate to and communicate with Him.
God gives us a new nature, a spiritually minded one, and a new heart.
I read your article. Thank you for linking it. As I keep saying, this format does not lend itself with long posts. Especially, as am I, a little slowed down with vision issues and an old phone.
But appreciate your try. Just one important thought. Your sources are mixed. I would like to remind you that Saints, Bishops alone and Popes just pontificating with out the use of his infallibility and theologians are not final arbiters of dogma. The sources you must depend on are ecumenical councils and official Catechisms.
Good searching.
If he never makes it clear that ti was "once, for all", then whoever gave him a Nihil Obstat --- if there is one --- was negligent. God knows I've had it up to here with incompetent clerics.
Keep in mind, though, that this is not easy to grasp in earthly terms, since the One Sacrifice at Calvary is also the self-same One Sacrifice enacted the night before He died, at the Last Supper ("This is My Body" - "This is My Blood" at Matthew 26, Mark 13, Luke 22, and I Corinthians 11)--- as well as he self-same One Sacrifice of "the Lamb that was slain before the foundation of the world" (Revelation 13).
That means before time was created. Tuck that into the back of your mind. That is a clue.
So it was, is, and always will be One Sacrifice, because, being done by God, it was done by an Eternal Person, the Second Person of the Trinity. It has eternity in it. Eternal things happen beyond time as well, and are accessible--- if God wishes to make them accessible to us --- at all times. Think of that!
I decline to accept O'Brien as my spokesman, because of misstatements or ambiguities (which he may have explained elsewhere --- but I wouldn't know, since I have not read his book.)
Instead of relying on your fave priest and your interpretation of him, I suggest the Catechism. The Epistle to the Hebrews, too, one of the primary Biblical sources of Catholic Eucharistic doctrine, is key. By the way, I've objected before to your reliance on this O'Brien and his apparently inattentive bishop, as if they were emitting the ipsissimi verbi of doctrine -- not like that munchkin Aquinas, eh? It is kind of funny: where is P.J. O'Rourke when you need him?
Thank you for conceding the point.
But that’s a pretty pathetic way to admit that you got nothing.
When you spittle forth such as this -”Well I’ve read the good book cover to cover countless times and all versions of it- I doubt your veracity and your sincerity. Wasb’t it you who admitted to trying to bait and incite those opposing the religion of Catholiciism? Yeah, and ‘someone’ had that little revelation pulled!
Yup, and a bunch of us saw it before it got pulled.
For me, it's not a matter of "is he still being sacrificed." He is not, He is at the right hand of the Father; His work is done.
For me, remembering that Jesus "was" crucified by reading the gospel, viewing a picture of the crucifixion or viewing a crucifix - is a "reminder" of the price Jesus paid for my salvation. When I am sick, it is the crucified, bruised and scourged Christ who made and makes me whole.
For me, when I glory in the cross, it is a cross bearing our crucified Lord. For me, there is no conflict in praising the Lord for laying His life down on the cross and praising Him in His resurrection. Both are true concerning my faith.
When you spittle forth such as this -”Well I’ve read the good book cover to cover countless times and all versions of it- I doubt your veracity and your sincerity.
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Good. You have my blessing to doubt anything you want.
Wasb’t it you who admitted to trying to bait and incite those opposing the religion of Catholiciism? Yeah, and ‘someone’ had that little revelation pulled!
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No, my holy friend, I’ve never tried to “bait” and “incite” anyone on this forum, and I’ve never had anything pulled far as I know. Now be a good boy and go do something pleasing to the Lord.
Your abusive post has been reported.
Maybe you’re too sensitive for the rough and tumble of the religion forum.
You have a very strange way of
giving a reason for your hope.
what is it exactly you want from me?
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