Posted on 05/28/2019 7:48:49 AM PDT by Moonman62
As a former 30 year resident of NYC I can attest to the severe shortage of gas stations in Manhattan below 125th street and the high cost of gas( real estate and tax $) Made sense then and now, just as industrial parks use electric or propane powered fork lifts...horses for courses.
Please, if you need HOURS to recharge to go 300 Miles you own a commuting vehicle, period... just because you have a situation within range and hours to wait for the recharge doesn’t make you a non commute vehicle.. When you can drive 500-600 Miles in 8-10 hours with stops, get back to me.
“GM has squandered a fortune researching, developing and manufacturing electric vehicles. The problem is that there is only a very limited market.”
The best immediate market is commercial vehicles that run regular routes during the day and can be recharged overnight.
“How long does it take to charge one vs how long does it take to fill up with fuel?”
“My wife’s 15 year old but in great shape”
Your a lucky man Dave.
TD,
Claims and execution are 2 separate things. When they actually have a production vehicle that can go 300 miles per charge, charge in 10 minutes and have MILLIONS of charging stations, then you have something that can viably replace combustion.
To Date, this does not exist... not even close. Even if GM’s claims are accurate, and you overnight suddenly got millions of charging stations, you don’t have the capacity in the electrical grid to handle moving every car from combustion to electricity (which generally is combustion as well, just the combustion happens at the power plant instead of in the vehicle).
EV as the mainstay/primary vehicle is DECADES away, and thats IF, and ONLY if, the Federal government is going to subsidize and fund the rebuilding and growth of the US power grid to handle it, something they HAVEN’T Been willing to do, to just the existing infrastructure, which is in vast need of repairs and upgrades that have been deferred for decades because policy makers aren’t willing to spend the capital.
EV is a niche vehicle for the foreseeable future.
As I have pointed out, its a multi step problem.... One that the “solvers” are only on step 2 of... first it was enough battery capacity to weight ratio to make the thing practical to even operate.... This they solved... now they are on the HOW TO CHARGE THE THINGS QUICKLY.... This they haven’t yet solved... but are getting there... 11 YEARS since they first sold a production vehicle that solved (mostly) the first problem. Assuming they solve the charging issue, expect another two decades at a minimum until the infrastructure is in place to support them nationwide, IE charging stations and power grid capability....
Its a false bill of sale, and over hype, just like autonomous driving. That’s at least 2 decades away, no matter what the snake oil folks at Uber and elsewhere keep telling you.
It will get there one day, possibly, assuming the political will is there to do it, but when cars cast 20-30k a pop, you aren’t going to have most people voluntarily choose the limitations that come with an electric as their primary or only vehicle. Its just not going to happen.
It will remain a niche, commuter vehicle. Which is fine, for most people who can afford a second vehicle, a commuting vehicle fits their needs.. However, the dream that everyone will be driving electrics is DECADES (and that’s plural, not singular) away, if ever.
How about doing this....get every charging station off the grid & let them get all their power only from nearby wind generators. Leave the grid for only necessary home & industrial use, or else we could have big problems. I don’t want to see my home electrical use & price affected by some guy’s electric car charging station. You know there will be some profit taking here & homeowners are already paying too much in many cases. Then there’s the possibility of overloading the grid & blackouts because of charging stations. Let’s get them off the electrical grid. Problematic for electric car owners?? Tough! A great many of us can’t afford them anyway.
Actually, I’m very lucky.
The difference in time: charging an EV car vs fueling a gasoline/diesel vehicle.
This network will not only help GM (GM), which plans to introduce 20 new electric vehicle models by 2023. But the new chargers could also be used by other manufacturers' electric vehicles, too.
Thanks Moonman62. I'm not going to read the rest of this topic, btw, I'm sure it will just be wheels turning in the same old ruts.
Average of 75 minutes from 0 to
100%.
Fill a tank in about five.
“Please, if you need HOURS to recharge to go 300 Miles you own a commuting vehicle, period..”
True, there’s really no way to “equate filling your tank” with “charging up,” although the Teslas now can get a 50% charge in 20 minutes I’ve been told.
Besides, I am a Corvette guy. I like IC engines. But you need to go to the local drag strip and watch the 4-wheel drive Teslas blow off everything there that’s street legal, and not make a sound doing it.
And here’s a video of a “shootout” between the three hybrid supercars! This is what you get when you couple around 700hp worth of IC engine power and a couple hundred horsepower’s worth of electric drive! These vehicles are astonishing!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3YPTkBRaOk
My question as well. I had a half-dozen USBs charging cables for my devices - all of 'em different.
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Who is going to build the coal fired power plants to power the “non polluting” electric cars?.....
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