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These Are Real 'High Crimes'
Townhall.com ^ | May 15, 2019 | Ann Coulter

Posted on 05/15/2019 6:15:32 PM PDT by Kaslin

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To: NobleFree

Are “Varma and Sharma” just pen names for Cheech and Chong...?


61 posted on 05/16/2019 2:29:48 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: TheStickman
Every aspect of my life has improved & continues to do so.

So you're saying that, like The Pink Panther's Chief Inspector Dreyfus,

"Every day, in every way, you're getting better and better"...?

62 posted on 05/16/2019 2:33:17 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: BeauBo
the condition was induced, and not innate. They would pass a psychological evaluation easily, after the drugs wear off.

So the big revelation here is that marijuana is temporarily mind-altering? This is a no-sh**-Sherlock observation, and very different than the Reefer Madness hysteria on this thread.

63 posted on 05/16/2019 2:35:49 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: BeauBo
Lack of evidence, is not evidence.

It is when marijuana use increases as markedly as it has in many Western nations with no corresponding increase in psychosis, which said nations have been well equipped to measure.

An epidemiological study is a very academic and abstract method of looking for effects, full of complex confounding factors

So what confounding factor cancelled out the increase in psychosis due to increased marijuana use?

64 posted on 05/16/2019 2:42:14 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: NobleFree

“So the big revelation here is that marijuana is temporarily mind-altering?”

In a manner consistent with the point of the article - that it can produce psychotic breaks (such as hallucinations or pathologically unrealistic beliefs), which can produce incoherent or criminal actions.

The full extent of those effects is not likely to be accurately measured, recorded or recognized.

“This is a no-sh**-Sherlock observation”

Marijuana is a mind altering drug - that can produce undesirable and criminal behaviors.

In most people, at typical doses, those risks are negligible, in high risk populations or at very high doses (like those made possible by extracts), increased undesirable outcomes are reliably predictable.


65 posted on 05/16/2019 2:54:00 PM PDT by BeauBo
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To: NobleFree

“So what confounding factor cancelled out the increase in psychosis due to increased marijuana use?”

Simply, people will not be diagnosed as psychotics, if the episode was a temporary, drug induced condition. A diagnosis of psychosis depends on it being an innate condition.

Marijuana does not cause permanent psychosis - but it can and does induce temporary psychosis, if the dose is high enough for the individual.

Anyone will hallucinate, given enough THC. We are not all therefore psychotics.

During a drug-induced psychotic incident, anyone is vulnerable to committing irrational actions - including violent criminal acts, such as those in the article.

What is a normal, harmless, recreational dose for most people, is enough to produce a psychotic episode in a borderline person. As you increase the dose, you increase the proportion of the population who will lose touch with reality. People handle drugs differently.

People also vary, in the content of their minds, and the nature of their personalities - some are happy drunks, some are mean drunks. Sado-masochists who lose touch with reality may drift toward different thoughts and actions from others, and so on...


66 posted on 05/16/2019 3:22:47 PM PDT by BeauBo
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To: NobleFree

I guess if you’re not willing to look at any of the evidence, you’ll come to that conclusion.


67 posted on 05/16/2019 4:02:16 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: kaehurowing
I guess if you’re not willing to look at any of the evidence

You've presented no evidence.

68 posted on 05/16/2019 7:27:38 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: BeauBo
Marijuana does not cause permanent psychosis

Not to hear some hysterical FReepers tell it.

some are happy drunks, some are mean drunks.

Yup - one should alter one's mind only with great care, if at all, and that's true regardless of the drug.

69 posted on 05/16/2019 7:30:53 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: NobleFree

Heroin is more potent than opium. Crack has a higher content than chewing coca leaves. Which of these show greater harm to users?


70 posted on 05/16/2019 8:09:11 PM PDT by tsomer (sk)
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To: volunbeer

Thanks for the reply.

I’m not against legalization; I’m just pointing out a serious downside that no one seems to be discussing. Legalization will lead to more people using and discovering that they are vulnerable.

One thing that might help—make dealers liable in civil courts.


71 posted on 05/16/2019 8:18:50 PM PDT by tsomer (sk)
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To: Ken H

I assume that the Feds will wade in at some point. When have they ever kept their fingers out of anything?

Bottom line: it’s money and taxes.


72 posted on 05/16/2019 8:21:23 PM PDT by tsomer (sk)
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To: sheana

Look into CBD. It’s another chemical in marijuana that has been shown to be effective for back pain, as noted earlier, it’s thought to balance the effect of the THC when ingested together.

The claims seem exaggerated, and it is expensive, but CBD can be refined so that virtually no THC remains.

It can’t be worse than Tramadol, but you should really speak to a doctor familiar with the treatments. It’s still pretty new.


73 posted on 05/16/2019 8:29:11 PM PDT by tsomer (sk)
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To: NobleFree

Quod erat demonstrandum.


74 posted on 05/17/2019 12:09:40 AM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: tsomer

Tried CBD. Didn’t do a thing for me. But thanks!


75 posted on 05/17/2019 4:51:38 AM PDT by sheana
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To: tsomer
high level of THC.

Liquor has a much higher level of the drug alcohol than does beer; what of it?

Heroin is more potent than opium. Crack has a higher content than chewing coca leaves. Which of these show greater harm to users?

Intrinsically, neither - greater harm done by users to themselves is because they sought a greater effect. Marijuana users seeking the same buzz they're accustomed to will have reduced their volume intakes as potency has increased.

I can harm myself as little with a shot of liquor as with a mug of beer.

76 posted on 05/17/2019 7:10:52 AM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: kaehurowing
You've presented no evidence.

Quod erat demonstrandum.

You've amply demonstrated that you're a lazy ignorant blowhard. Thanks for the info.

77 posted on 05/17/2019 7:13:50 AM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: tsomer
I’m not against legalization; I’m just pointing out a serious downside that no one seems to be discussing. Legalization will lead to more people using and discovering that they are vulnerable.

One thing that might help—make dealers liable in civil courts.

Sellers can and should be required to disclose accurate and relevant information about risks; such a requirement can only be effectively enforced in a legal market. Such disclosure erases any subsequent liability for users who elected to assume those risks.

78 posted on 05/17/2019 7:17:42 AM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: tsomer; Ken H
I agree, but only if the regulators keep the consumers, not the peddlers interests centermost,that they are fully aware of the health risks and have some way to keep current with research.

This is a tall order for Washington.

You mean a tall order for the state that is regulating it, not Washington DC, right?

I assume that the Feds will wade in at some point. When have they ever kept their fingers out of anything?

I strongly doubt the feds will intervene to block states from requiring disclosure of health risks. Are there any existing examples of such federal intervention?

79 posted on 05/17/2019 7:22:05 AM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: NobleFree

Say hi to your friends at Big Marijuana for me.


80 posted on 05/17/2019 1:03:13 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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