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While 'natural born' in the terms natural-born Subject, and natural-born Citizen may mean the same thing Subject DOES NOT mean the same thing as Citizen. That makes a BIG difference. A monarch would want as many people as possible, anyone born in his realm including those not specifically mentioned in positive law, to have fealty towards him. On the other hand a country would not want to extend the protections of Citizenship out to those not loyal to it.

So 'natural born' may mean the same in both terms - according to natural law (without positive law) at the time of birth it does not have anything to do with the location of birth. The location of birth is more relevant to the subject of the term Subject or Citizen. While natural law governing who is a Subject may want to include as many as possible, natural law governing the second does not.

And a point missed by many of those who equate 'citizen at birth' with 'natural born citizen', the prince in this story IS NOT a 'US Citizen at birth', if they do not fill out a Form FS-240 and submit it to the US embassy he DOES NOT become a US Citizen. That alone is proof positive that those born in a foreign country to US Citizen parent(s) become US Citizens as the result of Positive US law and not Natural law and are therefore not 'natural born Citizens' of the US.

The form does not convey citizenship, which exists regardless of the form. The form is a record of the birth of a US citizen overseas to prevent future complications.

Female US citizens overseas did not pass citizenship to their children with a foreign father until after 1934. Citizenship followed the father, as per the original intent of the Constitution.

Very Well stated!

I always considered the adjective “natural” a legal negative logic device. Some legal content describe what the object is not. Then, the object can be litigated as only one thing.

The powers NOT DELEGATED to the United States by the Constitution, NOR prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

When stated using negative legal logic, everything not forseen or considered automatically fall to the States or We the People. You are blocked from making any other arguement!

A natural Born Citizen is one where a Foreign jurisdiction cannot bestow it’s Citizenship to that new born baby.
That only occurs when a baby is born on US soil to US Citizen parents