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To: Redwood71; 4Zoltan; Travis McGee; DoughtyOne; CDR Kerchner; Liz; ransomnote; bagster; ...
Yes, rwood, liars sometimes tell the truth, and some people are trained to lie to those they consider infidels. It's called taqiyyah.

4Zoltan has taken the "con man" appellation of NYT writer James Risen and falsely applied it to the lips of Dennis Montgomery's (DM) lawyer. His lawyer's reference to the term in argumentation only shows 4Zoltan's comment to have been opportunistically slanderous. The judge in that case, Rudy Contreras, you may recall, figures prominently in the Stzok/Page FISA-related texts as being a friend of theirs. From those texts, it seemed the good judge may have been "working toward similar goals." or perhaps one who was willing to look the other way as a fraud on his court was perpetrated.

If what DM says has any larger elements of truth--and his grant of federal immunity as a whistleblower must tell us exactly that--it would only be expected that the data he says he collected via the HAMMR computer system of his design and construction would not likely be decipherable by any two "ex-NSA guys." (DM (through his lawyer) seems to believe the HAMMR continued to be used past his involvement to spy on hundreds of judges and others.) The same system inscrutability would be even more the case for even a very experienced and talented sheriff in Arizona. DM's immunized whistleblower status should tell all those following this story that even though some people may not have been able to make use of or decipher DM's personally encrypted data on 47 hard drives, there is a significant amount of "there there" with regard to the story of who DM is and what he was provedly hired to do within the intelligence community.

Both Arpaio and DM have been under accusation in Judge Murray Snow's courtroom. Just because Sheriff Arpaio was unable to make hay with DM's consultancy for him does not negate DM's claimed work. DM still has Non-Disclosure Agrement aspects to his situation to which he will likely forever be obliged. That Sheriff Joe was similarly unable to get traction and national attention before Congress with his Cold Case Posse's stunningly-flawed culminating presentation in December of 2016 is something of a trifecta-plus-two of losses for the newly-retired sheriff, despite the deserved pardon by President Trump for Joe's criminal contempt conviction.

DM saw no apparent action in the time of James Comey's being the custodian for his 47 hard drives of data, and his complaint against James Comey seems to have been stonewalled. Had there truly been "no there there," the situtation could easily have been resolved to the Barry Administration's advantage.

Though one might reasonably say both Clapper and Brennan are proven, total liars would not negate the powerful positions they've held and the huge capacity for the good or ill their actions implicitly effected.

4Zoltan's representations are misdirection from the truth, which is a consistent pattern for her, here as well. Take for example the "CIA stuff." Even though someone might wish to call a CIA asset a "con man" or "fraud," we should realize the hard truth that such assets are trained in ways that rightfully elicit such monikers from the rest of us. The same would apply to the twisted logic, here-and-there false claims of 4Zoltan. Does that make her a "fraud"? Well, yes, to offset her hubris, but she "may well" have gotten that kind of training and assignment, even for this very kind of exchange here and now.

Aside from 4Zoltan's contribution, DM's role in manipulation of the Hawai'i Department of Health computer system and Vital Records database is in no substantive way negated by what we would perceive as his shown lack of character here or there. Are we to say John Brennan couldn't possibly have been a CIA agent for all his adult life because he showed himself to be a liar before the Congress? Or how about James Clapper? Would you let 4Zoltan's "logic" successfully lead you to believe neither of them could have been Intel Community-trained to be very effective assets? That would once again be laughable, but that's how she's (hopefully-ineffectually) trying to work here.

No, obviously the total-fraud liars Brennan and Clapper rose to the top of whatever heap it is they surmounted and no flawed logic should suggest that's not possible.

Furthermore, there's a lot more than just DM "trying" to interject a measure of "CIA stuff." With that nonsense, 4Zoltan would have us abandon that the CIA is invovled at all as quickly as DM's character can be impugned. HA! Sorry, missy, but Barack Obama sits atop these initiatives regarding his birth certificate and related issues. Brennan has been managing Obama's narrative and getting him schooling funds and walking-around money from Brennan's days as Riyadh station chief. You did note the decades-long "rumors" of Saudi money helping that along, right? What is the Saudi monachy but the institutionalized ARAMCO, first set up by the Rockefellers in the US. The Deep State. CIA. Our betters--globalists, etc.

When the full story is disclosed publicly, we may find that an MK-ULTA subject like Jared Loughner was involved in the two-fer of taking out the reliably right-wing Judge John Roll and being the grist to provide justification for Barry's receipt of a birth certificate number that he otherwise didn't have prior to 2006. Sorry, all taken! And just because DM couldn't help Arpaio overturn his contempt indictment doesn't mean DM wasn't involved in fixing Hawai'i Vital Statistics to benefit Barry.

Fuddy was a decades-long member of Subud--a proven CIA front, with her being the cream of that crop as seen in her selections, first as treasurer, then USA national chairperson. Registrar Onaka, ostensible Barry LFBC approver, had a long history that saw him rising through the ranks of USAID. That organization has also long been known as a CIA front. The $2B La Jolla submarine was at the time of the hoaxed Fuddy plane crash assigned to be under CIA control. $2B of CIA submarine's activities aren't signed off by some "Commander McHale." All its activities would be explicitly approved by the Director of Central Intelligence--Brennan. So don't bother letting 4Zoltan dissuade you from thinking that "CIA stuff" disappears from the story of Barry's LFBC on a slamming sentence from a couple of ex-NSA guys, no matter how well we know Admiral M.S. Rogers as a white hat. Remember it was Brennan as CEO of Analysis Corporation that was in the news in 2008 dealing with an "Obama passport breach" of State Department records and the likely-related murder of Lieutenant Quarles Harris, a guy who worked for Brennan's State Department contractors at the time.

But let's not stop there. There is lots of evidence from the 2016-2018 FBI/DOJ/CIA "Trump-Russia Collusion" episode that that crew enlisted aid from the intel services of our 5VEY (Five Eyes) allies, Brits and Aussies in particular. That evidence suggests that the Barry's Administration regularly used such foreign help to direct activities against the Americans and our interests through deception missions. We've even seen what may have been 5VEY folks chime in regarding Barry's domestic deception activities (e.g., BC and Fuddy-related) even (and especially) here at FR and at theFogbow. (Read "Foggy Bottom," where Hillary's State Department is located.) It's been highly coordinated stuff that in no way was dependent on whether some whistleblower had legal success taking umbrage at his bad press.

Truth be told, it's the "CIA stuff" related to Barry's very beginnings that led to his two biggest, most oft-quoted self-directed axioms: "leading from behind" (with its life-long sexual double entendre) and "I'm really good at killing people." Here, the intended meaning of "leading from behind" was that no LFBC appeared or (even existed) and until it was pretty clear what that the LFBC was needed to say. If "people" seeing to his narrative and interests had tried to codify that LFBC much earlier, one of those many court cases against his Natural Born Citizen status--or lack thereof--could have gone against him, since actual DM-to-be-planted HDOH data didn't yet exist, which could have easily tripped him up. The way it was, all those court cases lacked clarity because authentic data were hidden from the public...and fizzled.

As an anthropology intern under the CIA's wing in Indonesia, Stanley Ann Dunham kept personalized information regarding villagers' ethnicity, under the de facto control of Dr. Clifford Geertz, the eminent grise of the Suharto slow-motion overthrow of Indonesia's first President, Sukharno. Ethnic Chinese Indonesian citizens were targeted as overwhelming supporters of Sukharno. The CIA's preferred replacement, Suharto employed Lolo Soetoro, ostensibly as a geologist, but as reported by retired intel asset and historian Warren Madsen, as an assassin. With Subud/CIA support Suharto engaged in a bloody coup that saw between 800 thousand and 3 million Indonesians losing their lives and 1.5million spending time in prison. Barry would have known of all that political killing that had been going on around him, such that he would have seen and heard from others how to get "good at killing people."

The association of Barry, his birth narrative, and his life-long family activities are anything but paper-thin with CIA involvement.

77 posted on 05/05/2019 11:44:08 AM PDT by rx (Truth Will Out!)
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To: rx

All this BS from a guy who mistook a GoPro camera for a “camouflaged, manufactured, high-tech, classified SEAL Team equipment.”

Blahahahaha


79 posted on 05/05/2019 3:44:38 PM PDT by 4Zoltan
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