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To: FtrPilot

The report mentions several deviations and includes low resolution chart, all of which indicate deviations.

In the case if the Lion Air, AoA deviation was 20 degrees which set off IAS. The Ethiopia plane had a deviation of about 75 degrees which would surely set off the IAS.

Additionally, there was an over-speed alarm on for about two minutes before the crash.


83 posted on 05/04/2019 1:36:00 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: TexasGator
In the case if the Lion Air, AoA deviation was 20 degrees which set off IAS.

I have re-read the Lion Air prelim report and cannot find where the Airspeed disagree warning illuminated during the accident flight. On the previous flight, IAS and ALT Disagree and FEEL DIFF PRESS faults were noted. The pilots performed the checklist items and landed safely.

AOA and Pitot/Static systems are independant. The sensors gather their respective data and place the data on an ARINC data bus. A difference between left and right Angle of Attack (AoA) of about 20° should not cause any type of Airspeed warning.

The Ethiopia plane had a deviation of about 75 degrees which would surely set off the IAS.

Nope...prelim report has no reference to Airspeed disagree warning being illuminated.

Here's what I don't understand...75° AoA is impossible to achieve in an airliner. At the speeds the aircraft was flying, 75° AoA would rip the wings off. Boeing could have easily included logic in the MCAS software to disregard impossible AoA. Any AoA above 25° would be rejected as a sensor malfunction and the other AoA sensor would then be used.

The new MCAS software will fix the problem as MCAS will be disabled whenever there is an AoA disagree warning.

Additionally, there was an over-speed alarm on for about two minutes before the crash.

The pilot response to this is SLOW DOWN (Throttles-Idle). IMHO, this indicates the pilots were task saturated, improperly trained, and lacked basic airmanship skills.

85 posted on 05/05/2019 7:59:05 AM PDT by FtrPilot
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