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On Fantasy in Modern Science
Evolution News ^ | April 25, 2019 | Kirk Durston

Posted on 04/25/2019 6:22:53 AM PDT by Heartlander

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1 posted on 04/25/2019 6:22:53 AM PDT by Heartlander
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To: Heartlander

Liar out of the gate.

NO ONE who is a SERIOUS science fiction reader calls it “sci-fi.” That is considered an insult to the genre.

IOW: Cool story, bro.


2 posted on 04/25/2019 6:29:56 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (As always IMHO)
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To: Heartlander

Second, when faced with choosing between just one Unseen Mind or an infinite number of unseen universes, remember Ockham’s razor.


I believe in using the Razor, and that why I think this nonsense belongs in the religion forum.


3 posted on 04/25/2019 6:42:54 AM PDT by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: freedumb2003

I’m a sci-fi fan and that’s what I call it.


4 posted on 04/25/2019 6:49:15 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: sparklite2

He spelled Occam wrong. :)

I spelled add hock wrong once. Whoops. I did it again. :D


5 posted on 04/25/2019 6:50:46 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: sparklite2

...belongs in the religion forum.


I think that is the author’s point. :)


6 posted on 04/25/2019 6:51:56 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: Heartlander

The author is exactly right. The theory of the multiverse was SPECIFICALLY created because science cannot not explain how a life sustaining universe can happen by mere chance. They MUST postulate that out of an infinite number of universes randomly occurring that ONE will be like ours. This way they don’t have to deal with REAL science and look toward a creator.


7 posted on 04/25/2019 6:52:22 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: sparklite2
All living cells that we know of on this planet are “DNA software”-driven biological machines, comprised of hundreds of thousands of protein robots, coded for by the DNA.11

Even using the most optimistic extreme upper limits for the probabilities of blind and mindless nature coding the digital information for thousands of functional proteins necessary for an operating cell, including the required molecular machines, those probabilities are so infinitesimally small that if Eugene Koonin thought we needed an infinite number of universes to explain the origin of RNA translation, that is nothing compared to getting an entire cell up and running. So what possible explanations do we have?


If you can't understand the simple logic of the above then you are an idiot.
8 posted on 04/25/2019 6:54:40 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: sparklite2
The multiverse does belong in the religion forum...

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9 posted on 04/25/2019 6:55:55 AM PDT by Heartlander (Prediction: Increasingly, logic will be seen as a covert form of theism. - Denyse O'Leary)
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To: freedumb2003

“....NO ONE who is a SERIOUS science fiction reader calls it “sci-fi.” ....”

Don’t agree with this! I’ve read science fiction since I could read roughly 1960. I have seen it as short hand for science fiction since then. I am not offended by it, don’t know anyone who is ! Why would anyone be?

I am tired of the “Age of “I-Am-Offended-by-Everything!” it makes me want the “Age of Aquarius” back! It wasn’t as pompous & tedious and at least the chicks were hot!


10 posted on 04/25/2019 7:02:40 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Reily

I am not offended by anything. I am stating this label has been despised by science fiction fans going back to the Campbell era.

You should know this, as well as who Campbell was.


11 posted on 04/25/2019 7:04:08 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (As always IMHO)
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To: freedumb2003

Sci-fi is science fiction for short. What’s insulting about it?


12 posted on 04/25/2019 7:06:09 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: freedumb2003

I know who Campbell was & have read many of his works. (Personal favorite - “The Mightiest Machine” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mightiest_Machine)

I never ran across that statement! Maybe it just passed me by because its silly!


13 posted on 04/25/2019 7:08:12 AM PDT by Reily
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To: freedumb2003

I know who Campbell was, and read science fiction starting in the fifties. Never was I or anyone I knew ever offended by the term sci-fi.


14 posted on 04/25/2019 7:16:09 AM PDT by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: freedumb2003

I’ve been reading sci-fi since the mid-70s (hard sci-fi, with an actual chance of happening, not the dragons and wizards crap), and I don’t get offended by the term.

Who cares what another person calls it - just enjoy this most interesting of genres, one that has inspired real scientific advances because of how it has inspired so many bright, young kids to go into the sciences.

A phrase from a film that was decidedly not sci-fi comes to mind: “Lighten up, Francis.”


15 posted on 04/25/2019 7:42:14 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: Heartlander
A bit off-topic, but if you want fantasy and science, here it is:


16 posted on 04/25/2019 7:43:23 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: Heartlander

“for many people the distinction between doing science, and creative storytelling, has become blurred.”

Unfortunately true.


17 posted on 04/25/2019 7:45:10 AM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: sparklite2
The problem with the multiverse is that you must believe in infinity. Of which there is no evidence at either the macro or micro level. Put the universe in perspective. For one thing is it absurdly small in comparison to the random chance of even an average protein from happening, even if you assume starting with universe full of amino acids. Second, all life is information based. The information requires context and an intellegent transmitter. Third, if the plasma model of the universe is correct, (believed by about a third of all physicist, including many of those at Los Alamos,) The universe can be best described as an electronic simulation inside a larger reality.

But please feel free to go with the multiverse if that is all you can grasp. Infinity and beyond.

18 posted on 04/25/2019 8:00:27 AM PDT by D Rider
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“Fantastically improbable events would be commonplace in a multiverse containing a near-infinite number of possibilities.”

Actually, they would still be just as improbable and just as rare, but with infinite iterations, you can at least argue they would inevitably exist.


19 posted on 04/25/2019 8:05:56 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: D Rider

Thanks. I’m not smart enough to discuss multi-verses.
Physics goes, hopefully, where the math and observations lead it. I’d trust a physicist over a pope, but that’s just me.


20 posted on 04/25/2019 8:10:15 AM PDT by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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