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Comparing China and America: Economies Diverge, Police States Converge
Scurrilous Commentary by Fred Reed ^ | Fred Reed | November 28, 2018

Posted on 02/10/2019 3:58:09 AM PST by vannrox

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Ol' Fred always astounds. He's an expat living in Vietnam. He took a trip out to china for two weeks. He went to central china to look at the panda bears. He went to chengdu and Qongqing. Nice 3rd tier cities.

Here's his impressions.

1 posted on 02/10/2019 3:58:09 AM PST by vannrox
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Yes, China gets things done. There are actually internal debates on policy. I know I’ve been there and interviewed people in government on policy issues and was given free rein to talk to people in government, academia and the private sector. They spy on everyone and men more so on foreigners.

Yet, the innovations that drive their growth were stolen from the West. We are the fools for helping them become a superpower on theft and not creating better trade deals. Trump is absolutely right about that.

We also have become infected with self-loathing by our moonlit Leftists. China does not tolerate self-loathing. I think that is the bottom line. The Chinese are proud of being Chinese and proud of the Han culture and will do everything to preserve it.

Half our population wants to destroy us — poisoned by the Left. The Left Delenda Est — or we die.


2 posted on 02/10/2019 4:09:37 AM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: vannrox

Sometimes, the truth, or at least shades of the truth hurt. The great advantage China has is in its monolithic and communal culture. China is not ordained to dominate the world, but America seems to be making it it easy for them to do so.


3 posted on 02/10/2019 4:15:49 AM PST by buckalfa (I was so much older then, but I'am younger than that now.)
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To: vannrox

China is headed toward a Revolution from within.

After three generations of single child policy they have a large population of adults who are self centered and often spoiled. There is nothing that can keep the human soul from growing and eventually it grows beyond dependency and rebels like a teenager to find the freedom to grow further.

Freedom is necessary for a soul to grow and nothing can shackle it for long.


4 posted on 02/10/2019 4:23:59 AM PST by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: WashingtonSource

Let me correct my typos! And add a little more bombast!

Yes, China gets things done. There are actually internal debates on policy. I know I’ve been there and interviewed people in government on policy issues and was given free rein to talk to people in government, academia and the private sector. They spy on everyone and even more so on foreigners.

The innovations that drive their growth were stolen from the West. We are the fools for helping them become a superpower on theft of our intellectual property and by not creating better trade deals. Trump is absolutely right about that.

We also have become infected with self-loathing by our moonbat arrogant Leftists. China does not tolerate self-loathing. I think that is the bottom line difference between the two nations. The Chinese are proud of being Chinese and proud of the Han culture and will do everything to preserve it.

Half our population wants to destroy us — poisoned by the Left who lord their shallow intellectual tripe over us. The Left is supremely confident and they use their bluster to intimidate the population.

The reason the Left hates Trump is that he bursts their bubbles of confidence — bubbles created out of their preening, strident hot air of grandiosity built on mendacity.

The Left Delenda Est — or we die!

Harrumph!


5 posted on 02/10/2019 4:24:21 AM PST by WashingtonSource
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You’re both right.

It’s over!!

Except..

China is running a HORRIFIC debt to GDP...don’t worry doom sayers, I know ours is worse but their’s is increasing at a far more rapid percentage than ours is.

There are an INCREDIBLE AMOUNT of EMPTY CITIES!!

NEW CITIES, not abandoned ghettos.

They STEAL ideas very well, but they don’t much come up with new ones and in the end, it does hurt them.

Trump is ABSOLUTELY having an effect on their and our economy. Bad for them and good for us.

I live on Staten Island and the Bridge rebuilding was FAST and FANTASTIC. A beauty to watch it being constructed.

This “expert” say they have a smarter population. Inherently smarter? Maybe, I don’t know.

But individuality is what makes ingenuity thrive.

It’s what made our pilots SO MUCH better than Japanese pilots.

When ALL YOU KNOW HOW TO DO IS TAKE ORDERS, you are LOST when the order giver is gone, you have NO experience improvising. And adapting. And you die.

Are 45 percent of the folks in this country idiots? Probably.

The 2000 election was brutally close so at WORST we can say we’ve gotten no worse in 16 years.

And if you deduct the FIVE MILLION illegal votes for hillary, we’ve gotten better.

Let me ask you guys this.

RIGHT NOW, in in some theoretical future, which country would you rather live in?

Which country’s hospitals would you rather be in if you were deathly ill?

Which country’s navy would you depend on more to protect you?

Which country do you think STILL gives you FAR MORE individual freedom?

The cry me a river threads about America around here lately are, to be frank, Sickening.

The underestimation of America is sickening.

The throwing up of hands is sickening.

To print a thread that is full of half truths and guesses (Chinese are SMARTER? It didn’t say more well learned, it said SMARTER) is a sad state of affairs for the board.

Read the ENTIRE article folks before deciding that we are DOOMED, DOOMED I tell ya!!

Forget about it.


6 posted on 02/10/2019 4:29:57 AM PST by dp0622 (The Left should know if.. Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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And I won’t address the IDIOTIC comments about more effective leaders.

They are DICTATORS!

if that’s what you want, you will find yourself at home nicely in Venezuela, Russia still, and China.

Bon voyage!!


7 posted on 02/10/2019 4:33:33 AM PST by dp0622 (The Left should know if.. Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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To: dp0622

Bravo dude.


8 posted on 02/10/2019 5:20:10 AM PST by Undecided 2012
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To: vannrox

Have you received this month’s check from President Xi yet?


9 posted on 02/10/2019 5:23:13 AM PST by House Atreides (Boycott the NFL 100% — PERMANENT)
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🇺🇸👍🇺🇸👍🇺🇸👍🇺🇸👍
10 posted on 02/10/2019 6:01:47 AM PST by oldvirginian ( Buckle up kids, rough road ahead.)
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To: House Atreides

“Have you received this month’s check from President Xi yet?”

Received and cashed apparently.
Must have been a little something extra there this month.


11 posted on 02/10/2019 6:04:45 AM PST by oldvirginian ( Buckle up kids, rough road ahead.)
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Living in Vietnam?

Interesting. It seems the guy is quite a writer and a veteran, and it is certainly possible he is living here.

But I just found a website which says he is living in Ajijic, Jalisco Mexico.

Maybe he lives both places.

https://everipedia.org/wiki/lang_en/Fred_Reed/


12 posted on 02/10/2019 6:05:16 AM PST by cba123 ( Toi la nguoi My. Toi bay gio o Viet Nam.)
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Ol’ Fred is wrong on most of his pints though. Our Debt to GDP: 100% and holding...yes holding, as our economy is expanding roughly as fast as our debt. China’s is 240% or so and growing, though ALL of their data is suspect. They do not use generally accepted accounting practices. Our economy is now doing better than any time since the ‘60’s, and in some cases ever, and getting better. Theirs is doing the worst since the ‘70’s. Thanks to LESS government restrictions and regulations we not only have an economy that is the envy of the world and the most competitive place in the world to manufacture, we are now energy independent. China’s answer to their growing problems and inefficiencies of their state owned businesses is MORE government control. To say the Chinese are more intelligent than Americans is not just unsupported, it’s racist.


13 posted on 02/10/2019 6:14:20 AM PST by jdsteel (Americans are Dreamers too!!!)
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“Christianity is not illegal, but heavily repressed “

Just one example of the idiocy of this post.

We don’t need communist propaganda.


14 posted on 02/10/2019 6:21:42 AM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html

Maybe.

Except look at the website above. (US Census.gov)

According to the website’s page on China, America just set the all-time world trade deficit record, with China. Biggest and worst, in world history.

Just something to consider.


15 posted on 02/10/2019 6:23:44 AM PST by cba123 ( Toi la nguoi My. Toi bay gio o Viet Nam.)
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Yes, I’ve seen that exact page. It reflects the push to get Chinese products, already made, into the US prior to sanctions. That’s completely understandable. The problem for the Chinese is those products were already made. Demand for new ones is down, and they are feeling the pinch. Add to that their problems with their banking system and lending, the black market lending system that has sprung up as a result, additional government stimulus despite their deficits and unhappy new millionaires and China is in a tough spot. When their answer to economic problems is bigger government....watch out.


16 posted on 02/10/2019 7:45:31 AM PST by jdsteel (Americans are Dreamers too!!!)
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“In terms of economic systems, the Chinese are clearly superior. China runs a large economic surplus, allowing it to invest heavily in infrastructure and in resources abroad. America runs a large deficit. China invests in China, America in the military. China’s infrastructure is new, of high quality, and growing. America’s slowly deteriorates. China has an adult government that gets things done. America has an essentially absentee Congress and a kaleidoscopically shifting cast of pathologically aggressive curiosities in the White House.”

China’s infrastructure spending is incredibly wasteful. Entire city apartment blocks are crumbling from cheap construction techniques and lack for tenants, some being vacant going on 10 years (according to reports).

“America cannot compete with a country far more populous of more-intelligent people with competent leadership and the geographic advantage of being in Eurasia. Washington’s choices are either to start a major war while it can, perhaps force the world to submit through sanctions, or resign itself to America’s becoming just another country. Given the goiterous egos inside the Beltway Bubbble, this is not encouraging.”

From a strategic standpoint, being on the Eurasian landmass is a major disadvantage. You have very long borders that must be defended. Yeah, right now Russia is a half-@ssed ally, but when their interests begin to diverge that will no longer be true.

Fred is a great writer, but I’m compelled to quote Otter in “Animal House”, “Quiet he’s on a roll!


17 posted on 02/10/2019 7:50:20 AM PST by Tallguy
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Fred is a pearl of the internet oyster.


18 posted on 02/10/2019 9:50:04 AM PST by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: tired&retired

Freedom is necessary for a soul to grow and nothing can shackle it for long.


Sorry, Mr Maslow, but your hierarchy of needs doesn’t seem to allow for people who’d rather give up freedom than risk offending their deity. Neoconservatism’s failure put paid to that notion of ‘every human.’


19 posted on 02/10/2019 9:55:14 AM PST by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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China rises whlle the US floundered. There fixed it.
The days of Obama malaise are being over come.
Of course the democrats are trying their best to
put us right back behind the eight ball but I think
they have met their match in President Trump.


20 posted on 02/10/2019 9:57:02 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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