Myth: Hitler was a leftist.

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitler.htm | STEVE KANGAS

[TBP]

The Islamofascists were Hitler’s allies. Today, they’re Putin’s allies.

“Iran” in Persian means “Aryan.”

[Secret Agent Man]

Right. which is why fascism is just socialism under a thin veneer of some private businesses and basically controlling private businesses by massive regulatory controls. When the state needs to blame someone they blame private businesses and takeover some. When things are good the state praises itself for doing so well.

[TBP]

Hitler isn't a socialist

Not now; he's dead. But he was when he was alive.

It is irrefutable: Hitler was a socialist

Actually, Yes, Hitler Was a Socialist Liberal

7 Quotes That Prove Adolf Hitler Was A Proud Socialist

Hitler was a Liberal Socialist.

HITLER WAS A SOCIALIST

Fact - Adolf Hitler was a Socialist and on the left.

Nazis: Still Socialists

Hitler was a socialist, a man of the left

[TBP]

Mussolini was the editor of the Communist newspaper.

[TBP]

So does Red China, in its own way.

[TBP]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29Mg6Gfh9Co

[dfwgator]

YouTube sucks, what is objectionable about that?

[TBP]

It’s a link to “Tomorrow Belongs to Me”, which was referenced earlier in the thread.

[Free in Texas]

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.”

Adolf Hitler, 1927

Sounds pretty Socialist to me.

[RoosterRedux]

The very first Hitler quote in your comment link is an error. That statement was made by Gregor Strasser (an NSDAP opponent of Hitler), not Hitler. Strasser was murdered under orders from Hitler on the "Night of Long Knives."

When you can't even get it right on your very first quote, why should anyone take you seriously.

[RoosterRedux]

That’s not a quote from Hitler. Gregor Strasser made that comment. Hitler had him killed.

[trebb]

Hitler was a forerunner of today’s “Progressive”....

[SunkenCiv]

The author of that screed is merely a propagandist. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that he’s also agreed with Hitlery’s stupid comment about “1984”.

Thanks Pontiac.

Hitler and the socialist dream
He declared that ‘national socialism was based on Marx’ Socialists have always disowned him. But a new book insists that he was, at heart, a left-winger
George Watson
Sunday 22 November 1998
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/hitler-and-the-socialist-dream-1186455.html

Adolf Hitler’s Debt to Karl Marx
9th May 2018
Augusto Zimmermann
https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2018/05/adolf-hitlers-debt-karl-marx/

Obama, Hitler, And Exploding The Biggest Lie In History
Bill Flax
Sep 1, 2011, 03:43pm
https://www.forbes.com/sites/billflax/2011/09/01/obama-hitler-and-exploding-the-biggest-lie-in-history/

[RoosterRedux]

Sorry for being so blunt in my earlier comment. The period in which Hitler was in the process of commandeering the NSDAP is incredibly complex and it is impossible to draw simple conclusions about the political leanings of Hitler or anyone else without getting into the weeds.

Careers could be spent--PhD's could be earned--sorting out the details of the party's evolution during this period.

These Hitler, Right or Left, threads appear every few years and they draw out all kinds of amateur opinions. Placing Hitler somewhere on today's right or left continuum is an exercise in futility in my opinion because it takes one vastly complex environment and tries to force it into a very different period in time.

It's like trying to determine who is more Churchillian, Trump or Nigel Farage?

Anyway, sorry for being such a crab.

[higgmeister]

Far right is small government, economic freedom, invisible hand governance, etc.

Excuse me, that is not the current modern concept of Far Right. Far Right is Jack booted Nazi Skinheads lynching minorities and killing Jewish people.

Small government, economic freedom, invisible hand governance, etc. are anti-swamp, Freedom Caucus, laissez-faire, Republicans.

I am not Far Right and reject your attempt to denigrate my whole self identity.

[higgmeister]

The very first Hitler quote in your comment link is an error. That statement was made by Gregor Strasser (an NSDAP opponent of Hitler), not Hitler.

I guess this is where you refutation breaks down. This Gregor Strasser you are so familiar with was also a high level Nazi who Hitler had murdered because they were rivals for the same Socialist cause.

We National Socialists want the economic revolution involving the nationalization of the economy...We want in place of an exploitative capitalist economic system a real socialism, maintained not by a soulless Jewish-materialist outlook but by the believing, sacrificial, and unselfish old German community sentiment, community purpose and economic feeling. We want the social revolution in order to bring about the national revolution.”

As quoted in The Third Reich: A History of Nazi Germany, Thomas Childers, New York: Simon & Schuster, 2017, p. 84. November 1925 Reichstag speech.

[Jan_Sobieski]

I am sorry you are accepting the leftist label. I am a right wing conservative dedicated to freedom, liberty, and small government

[Free in Texas]

Upon searching further I found the quote attributed to both men. However, I was unable to find a Hitler speech containing the quote. I did find it in some writings by Strasser entitled

"Thoughts about the Tasks of the Future"

1926 June 15

Therefore I believe that you are correct. Thank you for the tip.

[higgmeister]

I am a right wing conservative dedicated to freedom, liberty, and small government.

As am I.   I note that you did not label yourself "Far Right", which is radical position.   There is a vast difference between Right Wing Conservative and Far Right.   Several Nazi Flags of a difference!

I am curious as to why you reject that the Far Left and the Far Right goes full circle to join together?   I didn't dream that up myself.   They both demand control of society so much that to the oppressed they are identical.

Comparison of Nazism and Stalinism

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The Libertarian David Nolan, as have many other social or political scientists, put the political spectrum on an two vector chart as an attempt to be more accurate than a simple left-right linear description. This is his "Nolan Chart."

Further food for thought:

Do you agree with the comment that the far left and the far right have more in common with each other than they would care to admit?

It depends whether you are talking about the far-left and the far right as ideologies, or how they operate in practice. Ideologically the far left and the far right could not be further apart. In practice, in the real world they must operate almost identically, because they share one crucial thing in common.

[RoosterRedux]

This Gregor Strasser you are so familiar with was also a high level Nazi who Hitler had murdered because they were rivals for the same Socialist cause.

I am well aware of Strasser's role in the NSDAP and nothing I have said refutes that.

Hitler's cause wasn't socialist. His cause was nationalism and people like Strasser stood in the way and were purged.

Strasser was an ideological socialist. Hitler was not.

Srasser and Hitler were not rivals for the same cause. Hitler want the NASDAP because he needed a party from which to launch his assault.

If you think Hitler was an ideological socialist, you don't know Hitler.

Like Liberals, you are starting with an agenda (i.e., to prove that Hitler was a socialist). That is a pseudoscientific process.

I suggest you set out to learn the truth about Hitler and let the evidence speak for itself.