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To: PIF

Wasn’t the F4 similarly equipped off the assembly line, only to have a gun added later?


4 posted on 01/23/2019 6:47:29 AM PST by redangus
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To: redangus

Yes. guns were considered old school an they had only missiles so when they were expended, those planes were just more targets for the MiGs. I believe a number were lost that way and so the retro fit.


9 posted on 01/23/2019 6:53:53 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: redangus

They added a gun pod. Externally.


16 posted on 01/23/2019 7:05:13 AM PST by BigpapaBo (If it don't kill you it'll make you _________!)
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To: redangus

Yes. It was the replacement for the Crusader, known as the last gunfighter. When deployed in Vietnam it quickly was outmatched by the MiG 21 because of dogfighting required guns.


22 posted on 01/23/2019 7:24:47 AM PST by DownInFlames (Galsd)
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I believe that McDonnell took the Reconnaissance version of the F4 and put a 20mm gun in the nose. This was requested by the Israeli Air force. It became the F-4E.
24 posted on 01/23/2019 7:45:27 AM PST by MCF (If my home can't be my Castle, then it will be my Alamo)
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To: redangus

Yes. They added mini-guns in under-wing hard-point pods: not very conducive to aerodynamic or ceegee optimization.

However, others here make a valid point about the J-20’s specific intended mission.

The Phantom II was a large, heavy, multi-purpose fighter-bomber that was at a disadvantage with smaller, lighter, tight-envelope MiGs in close-quarters dogfighting combat.

P.S.
I love the F-4 design, but it was interwar foolishness to think that missiles made guns passe.


33 posted on 01/23/2019 3:25:43 PM PST by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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