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New BBC TV series “Troy: A Fall of a City” shows Achilles as African
TornosNews.gr ^ | January 1, 2018 | Source: protothema.gr

Posted on 12/28/2018 1:57:14 AM PST by SunkenCiv

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To: Flaming Conservative
In a couple of years it will be 100% "transgender". That'll give black actors something to complain about.

61 posted on 12/29/2018 5:16:03 PM PST by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: SunkenCiv

wrecked?


62 posted on 12/29/2018 5:19:40 PM PST by morphing libertarian (Use Comey's Report; Indict Hillary now; build Kate's wall. --- Proud Smelly Walmart Deplorable)
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To: nopardons

I guess we need art for idiots so people like you can understand it. We dances already this week. I’m not in the mood.


63 posted on 12/29/2018 5:20:39 PM PST by morphing libertarian (Use Comey's Report; Indict Hillary now; build Kate's wall. --- Proud Smelly Walmart Deplorable)
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To: nopardons
I've had the box DVD set of "I, Claudius" for many years now, really enjoyed it then (most of it anyway) and still binge-watch it about once a year (did that in October this year, I think). I've never read those two novels (not much of a fiction fan, he said, to everyone's surprise) but years ago, before I had the DVDs, I checked them out of the Grand Rapids library, disk by disk. One day while I was switching disks (that's something Bill Clinton probably wishes he could do, wait, what?) the library employee intrusively noted that she liked the books better. I'd imagine that, even though it was a 13 hour miniseries, the script was drastically cut. Not sure if it's in the books originally, but not all of the characters found in the various 'noble' families in the series actually existed in Roman history, for example. The DVD uses some surviving footage of the abortive attempt at making it into a movie, which would have starred Charles Laughton as Claudius and Merle Oberon as Messalina, in the form of an early-1960s retrospective.

64 posted on 12/29/2018 5:29:46 PM PST by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: nopardons
He did. And he dug the citadal at Mycenae, which no one had been interested in doing, and found burials from the Heroic Age, and gave the name Mycenaean to that whole pre-classic period of Greece. He almost made it a hat trick by excavating Knossos, but couldn't quite strike the deal. Had he managed to do that, it would have been, well, historic. :^)

65 posted on 12/29/2018 5:34:40 PM PST by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: morphing libertarian

See #59.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3715726/posts?page=59#59


66 posted on 12/29/2018 5:35:27 PM PST by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: SunkenCiv

LOL...


67 posted on 12/29/2018 6:18:33 PM PST by nopardons
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To: morphing libertarian
Wanna see an "idiot" ?

GO LOOK INTO THE NEAREST MIRROR!

I read both of Grave's books on Claudius ( as well as ALL of his other books about myths, and Ancient Greeks and Romans ) long before you ever even heard of the T.V. series!

Likewise, I knew all about the T.V. series way before YOU ever did, as one of my best friends lives in London ( where it was shone first! ), who alerted me that I should keep an eye out for it, when it was shown here.

Having had 4 years of Latin, I could understand it, had it been performed in THAT language; which would have been patently ridiculous, since it had been written by a native born upper middle class Brit, in the King's English.

And add to all of the above, it is YOU, who don't know nor understand anything whatsoever about the theatre, lit, or any other art form!

68 posted on 12/29/2018 6:27:10 PM PST by nopardons
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To: morphing libertarian
Wanna see an "idiot" ?

GO LOOK INTO THE NEAREST MIRROR!

I read both of Grave's books on Claudius ( as well as ALL of his other books about myths, and Ancient Greeks and Romans ) long before you ever even heard of the T.V. series!

Likewise, I knew all about the T.V. series way before YOU ever did, as one of my best friends lives in London ( where it was shone first! ), who alerted me that I should keep an eye out for it, when it was shown here.

Having had 4 years of Latin, I could understand it, had it been performed in THAT language; which would have been patently ridiculous, since it had been written by a native born upper middle class Brit, in the King's English.

And add to all of the above, it is YOU, who don't know nor understand anything whatsoever about the theatre, lit, or any other art form!

69 posted on 12/29/2018 6:27:13 PM PST by nopardons
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To: SunkenCiv
Truth be told, I read those books when I was 12 and only flipped through them, during the series, to check on how close the scripts were to the originals. I do remember thoroughly enjoying both volumes, when I read it the first time and I did like the series very much....with one caveat: i.e. the version that Americans got to see, was EDITED and CENSORED! The Brit viewers saw not just longer episodes, but unedited ones! An example of this was the scene when Caligula cuts his unborn baby out of his sister's womb and, naturally, she dies.

Graves' book, "HOMER'S DAUGHTER", takes great liberties with one part of the Odyssey, adding characters and worse, if you're a stickler, but I did enjoy that book too.

The thing is...these are novels/pure fiction, though based on much earlier fictionalized historical things and therefore needs to be taken for just that!

OTOH...having blacks or other non-whites portray actual historical people, even though it's all fiction, is OUTRAGEOUS and patently ridiculous! To claim otherwise, just makes a mockery of the whole thing and does a great disservice to the viewer!

70 posted on 12/29/2018 6:40:27 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
Four words -- "Taming of the Shrew". I've seen two stage productions of it, about 25 years apart, and the first one was faithful to the original script (and boy did my school chums have a variety of different reactions), and the second one appeared to be, but they added a wordless final scene where the couple was in bed and the Tamer was giving the Shrew her cut of the money. It brought the house down.

Staging and casting can enrich the experience, so, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

That said, this particular casting (of Troy) is just a matter of policy, handed down from practitioners of "The Agenda-Driven Life", and I won't be seeing it for that reason alone.

71 posted on 12/29/2018 6:58:54 PM PST by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: SunkenCiv
At least YOU know what you're talking about, as do I, so disagreeing, we at least can state why or why not something works or doesn't for each of us.

Having some idiot honcho decide that PC not only has to be adhered to, but done to everything they produce, whether it makes ANY sense or not ( and after all, WHY make Achilles and Javert black, with homoerotic overtones re the later ) just does NOT pass the smell test! It doesn't do anything at all to add to the plot, understanding the character/s, nor helping the audience in any way!

I tend to be a "purest" when it comes to certain things ( most especially G&S operettas, Shakeapeare, Dickens, and some other things ); yet, I can see the validity of some changes, sometimes, such as Orson Welles' stagings of some Shakespeare plays, which really DO work!

72 posted on 12/29/2018 7:27:02 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
Shakespeare in particular is particularly well suited for new staging, possibly because he was so bleepin' great. That all-star movie of "Midsummer Night's Dream" had pretty nutty staging, but it's difficult to make a version of that play that isn't entertaining. :^) MND was the first Shakespeare I ever saw, a TV version, hmm, 1966?

73 posted on 12/30/2018 1:13:47 AM PST by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: nopardons

Yes, see even I can be wrong! :)


74 posted on 12/30/2018 8:34:14 PM PST by Sam Gamgee
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