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To: SunkenCiv
From the Interview: Rather from Brent Landau’s translation it is clear the magi (defined in this text as those who “pray in silence”) are a group—numbering as few as 12 and as many as several score—of monk-like mystics from a far-off, mythical land called Shir, possibly China. They are descendants of Seth, the righteous third son of Adam, and the guardians of an age-old prophecy that a star of indescribable brightness would someday appear “heralding the birth of God in human form.”

Ah ha, a text of secret society with secret knowledge; a hallmark of these false stories. You have to ask yourself, 'Why is it not in the Apocrypha'?

7 posted on 12/26/2018 3:48:27 AM PST by CptnObvious (Question her now.)
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To: CptnObvious
More from Bent Landau: But Matthew seems to think that they lived in Bethlehem, and that they only leave Bethlehem because King Herod is trying to kill Jesus; they then resettle in Nazareth after Herod dies and his son takes over. So they provide totally different explanations of the Bethlehem-Nazareth situation.

Ah ha, Brent seeks to undermine the Scriptures. Matthew says "After Jesus was born in Bethlehem" Matthew 2:1. It doesn't say Mary and Joseph lived there always as Brent implies. Another Red Flag.

8 posted on 12/26/2018 4:01:38 AM PST by CptnObvious (Question her now.)
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To: CptnObvious; SunkenCiv; Candor7
Ah ha, a text of secret society with secret knowledge; a hallmark of these false stories. You have to ask yourself, 'Why is it not in the Apocrypha'?

Yeah. The Bible alredy tells sreaight out who the "wise men" were, and where they came from.

The μαγοι (magoi, plural of μάγος = magus) were Aramaic (= Chaldean) astrologer religionists residing in ἀνατολή (anatolay, the eastern part of what is now called Turkey, which is still called Anatolia on any detailed map). That area is generously referred to in the Old Testament as Padan, or Padanaram. This is the area of eastern Turkey that includes what was once called "Ur of the Chaldees (Chaldean/Aramaic mountains)" and now is Sanliurfa (Glorious Ur), a city just above the boundary between Turkey and Syria.

It is from this area that Abram came to Canaan and settled, by the direction of Jehovah Elohim. Padan, or Padanaram, is the place to which the emissary of Abram/Abraham went to find a bride for Isaac, and to which Jacob fled from Esau's wrath after he winkled the birthright of the land from their father.

Padanaram is where Jacob worked for fourteen or more years for the Syrian Laban, his uncle, at the region occupied by Grandfather Bethuel. It is where he got Leah and Rachel, his wives, and where most of his children were born.

That is on the lower edge of Anatolia; to the Greeks, "The East"--the land bridge over which the Greeks and Persians back and forth until Alexander overcame them. But, of course, that is directionally to the north of Palestine, though the compatriots of Jesus , speaking Greek, still called that area Anatolia, as it is still called today.

However, it is more likely that the Magoi lived a bit further east, up in the Chaldean mountains, near Lake Van, from which in the time of Abraham the constellation that we call "the Southern Cross" could be clearly seen. However, according to celestial mechanics, the astrologers noted that year by year, decade by decade, the inexorable declination of this constellation began to draw them further and further south to observe it, as it continued to be seen only at its height in the southern skies, and at the time of year coinciding with that of Jesus' birth.

It was on their last sortie that the brightest star of the Southern Cross appeared for only a few moments on the low horizon. It was two years after the year of Jesus birth that the magoi caravan arrived as reported in Matthew 2:1, it could yet be seen, but only from Bethlehem, whose elevation was a few yards above that of Jerusalem.

Actually, today the Southern Cross can be seen briefly from Brownsville, Texas, which is quite a bit further south than Bethlehem.

And that is the story of the wise men and the Star, which they had followed as it declined, hoping to find at some future year the prophesied King of the Jews. If you want to see the Star of "The East" go to Brownsville. Or Mumbai.

19 posted on 12/26/2018 6:02:10 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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