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To: Openurmind
When we start getting deceptive “cannot access website” pages when trying to come to the FR when we absolutely know it is up and working, we will come back to this. I know for a fact AT&T is already doing it.

I've reviewed all of the times that censorship was done by ISPs. Every single one was an error, or was intentional but reversed in a day or two. Censorship is very easy to understand if you look at China: https://www.howtogeek.com/162092/htg-explains-how-the-great-firewall-of-china-works/ There are a mere handful of cases where ISPs in the US blocked IPs. Those were quickly reversed after an outcry. The DNS is not controlled by US ISPs and although they provide their own DNS servers to their customers there's absolutely no reason to use theirs rather than a neutral third party DNS server (which can't be stopped, see blocked IPs).

The rest of China's censorship measures are laughable. One they don't mention that US ISPs can and will do is throttle types of content like streaming video. That's because throttling is not censorship, it's more like shadow banning, so the Chinese don't bother with it. There are quite obvious legimiate reasons to throttle for traffic management. The legitimate gripe is when an ISP is throttling for purely monetary reasons (to favor their own service, to extort money from other providers, etc). There are well established legal processes and remedies for that. We don't need more trial lawyers cashing in and paying part of those winnings to Dems.

In short, if you want to go to FR, type the URL in your browser. Your DNS server (you can choose from thousands or run your own for $5/month) will give you back an IP. Your browser will access that IP. If you are concerned about your ISP spying on you, then use a VPN. You set up your own personal VPN on a server for $5/month (the same server that runs your DNS, your mobile sync, etc). There will be ever more and ever cheaper and easier ways to avoid any kind of lock-in, censorship or throttling.

The only thing the $5 server won't do is provide HD Netflix in real time. Putting the internet under the control of liberal / leftist bureaucrats for real time HD streaming is really dumb.

23 posted on 12/15/2018 6:41:06 AM PST by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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To: palmer

I do believe you are absolutely on top of this. Like I say I get it and understand it. I have a couple domains of my own. I also now have my own VPN tunnel server set up on a linux virtual machine through a static IP address service to use when I need it.

But I also understand the lack of integrity of these corporations like AT&T, Verizon, Comcast, Etc. have and they will eventually “condition” everyone into what they want to do. These companies will do whatever they can get away with even if it is illegal. They already have.


24 posted on 12/15/2018 7:50:30 AM PST by Openurmind
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