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To: exDemMom
“So? Even healthy people with healthy diets die of heart attacks. And what does this have to do with the huge costs of drug abuse, anyway?”

Right, and people that never touched a drug in their lives also get brain damage and dementia.

All is comparison of the magnitude of the direct link.

The link to becoming a vegetable from abusing food, engaging in lazy activity and becoming obese are MANY MAGNITUDES greater than any studies links to damage from cannabis.

NO twin studies have ever shown minor differences even when abusing cannabis. Such tiny links on generic sample studies can be easily faked by whoever is running the study.

All while It is 100% documented that if you overfeed a twin animal that it is more prone to stroke, heart attack and shorter life.

It is 100% documented that if you feed a twin animal alcohol and various legal drugs they will get guaranteed irreversible damage from even one overdose.

My point is that if you let them outlaw every single thing with potential for abuse and loose links to slightly “less than optimal health”, they can outlaw nearly everything. Fatty food, TV, movies, video games, comics, card games, etc. Some politicians are already talking about food/soda laws.

“if you are eating marijuana or vaping the THC oil, you can very easily ingest the LD50 of THC”

Easily? It would cost thousands and still be near impossible to consume unless you were actively trying to kill yourself. It has NEVER HAPPENED ONCE. While people die of obesity, alcohol and various legal drugs every few minutes!

If the point is protecting our safety and society, why are things that are far more dangerous and killing people daily legal for everyone? If someone is helped by medical meth/heroin, they can get it prescribed in all 50 states and paid for by taxpayers. If someone feels like abusing alcohol, they have the choice to do so even if is GUARANTEED to kill their liver and brain. If someone wants to become 500 lbs and GUARANTEED to die early, it's perfectly legal and nobody will stop you at barrel of a gun.

I don't use or abuse cannabis but know countless people out west whose lives were literally saved by it. And countless succesful people who simply use it like a beer after work. It is now clear to nearly everyone that cannabis prohibition is NOT about protecting us. It is about ensuring certain greedy people continue to make profits from their far more dangerous competing products...

71 posted on 12/02/2018 3:54:14 PM PST by varyouga
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To: varyouga

You really don’t get it, do you?

Marijuana and other drugs of abuse are not illegal because of the effects they have on the abusers. Who even cares about what the abusers do to themselves? They are illegal because of the cost to society of the abusers. The costs of abusers becoming unable to work and unable to support themselves, so they end up on welfare, begging in the streets, or committing crimes to pay for their next fix. The costs of sending them to rehab multiple times or sending them to prison. The cost to their victims that they kill or injure when they commit crimes to get the money to pay for their next fix, or when they simply attack people because the drugs have so addled their brains that they are driven to violence. These are enormous costs, and I dislike that I am paying them through taxes.

If drug abusers were as harmless as those who eat themselves up into the hundreds of pounds, and taxpayers weren’t having to pay for all of the collateral costs of drug abuse, few people would care about them drugging themselves into oblivion. But that is not the case.

If you are going to make claims like “It is 100% documented that...” you need to support them with reliable references from the medical literature.

I referenced a review of dozens of brain imaging studies that demonstrated many different effects of THC on several structures and functions of the brain; I even linked to the review so that you could read it for yourself. I found the review by doing a keyword search in the medical research database www.pubmed.gov; the database is public, and many of the references in the database link to openly available articles.


76 posted on 12/02/2018 6:37:00 PM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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