Posted on 11/10/2018 4:59:22 AM PST by C19fan
At least nine people have died and 35 are missing in a wildfire in Northern California, while in Southern California thousands of homes are under threat and all of Malibu has been evacuated as two other fires bear down. The Camp Fire in Northern California is now the most destructive in state history, after wiping out the town of Paradise. Not a single resident of Paradise can be seen anywhere in town after most of them fled the burning Northern California community that may be lost forever. Abandoned, charred vehicles cluttered the main thoroughfare, evidence of the panicked evacuation a day earlier. Most of its buildings are in ruin, entire neighborhoods are leveled and the business district has been wiped out. In a single day, this Sierra Nevada foothill town of 27,000 founded in the 1800s was largely incinerated by flames that moved so fast there was nothing firefighters could do. Authorities suspect it may have been started by a malfunction in power lines.
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Paradise is Trump country. Lots of churchgoing, older white folks living in trailers and simple rural homes. And some meth users higher in the forest. These are not blue state environmentalists but yes they also likely liked their trees but I suspect they would be in favor of logging and controlled burns. Even before this week.
May God bless and keep her.
Look at google maps and one can see why most of Paradise burnt....The whole town was surrounded by thick trees and brush. In town there were many wooded areas and houses surrounded by trees. Most roofs look like there were just shingles and not fire resistant.
I woke up this morning to the smell of smoke in my house.
And I’m 100 miles away in Sacramento.
It’s just awful.
A girl went missing during evacuation.
Any A-listers among the dead? That would be such a shame.
Over 90% of the fires in CA consume Federal land.
Not under state regulation. Under federal regulation.
It’s got to be dangerous for people with allergies and other breathing problems, not to mention everyone else, even those who are relatively healthy.
Will California ever recognize they are undergoing chastisement?
That's true. But that's also due to lack of fire management due to California's regulations, see Rule 4106: https://www.valleyair.org/rules/currntrules/r4106.pdf:
Land Manager: any federal, state, local or private entity that administers, directs, oversees or controls the use of public or private land, including the application of fire to the land.
4.9.2 For a multi-day burn which may impact smoke sensitive areas, a land manager or his or her designee shall coordinate daily with the District or the ARB to affirm that the burn project remains within the conditions specified in the smoke management plan, or whether contingency plans must be implemented.
So despite the principle of federal preemption, the fact is that California is preventing proper wildfire management by controlled burns.
Let logging happen.
Let grazing happen.
Use low level Calif inmates to clear brush & weeds.
Tell the Enviros to go pound sand.
Most of these homeowners should actually SUE the Enviros & Sierra Club, etc.
CLEARED in one thing-—Thinned & brush removed is another.
NONE of these trees are healthy- There is too much density & none of threes are getting the water & sunlight they need to be healthy.
The BARK BEETLE has ruined vast areas of the forests west of the Mississippi.
Those in charge would NOT listen when we told then to let the bark beetle trees be cut down & logged.
The sierra Club is the ground zero of this whole problem.
I lived with oak & pine trees on my acreage. I kept it well cleared. So did my neighbors. The National Forests are a disaster in more ways than one.
I would gladly have a conversation with anyone who only lives in NYC & thinks that Central Park is a forest.
CLEARED in one thing-—Thinned & brush removed is another.
NONE of these trees are healthy- There is too much density & none of threes are getting the water & sunlight they need to be healthy.
The BARK BEETLE has ruined vast areas of the forests west of the Mississippi.
Those in charge would NOT listen when we told then to let the bark beetle trees be cut down & logged.
The Sierra Club is the ground zero of this whole problem.
I lived with oak & pine trees on my acreage. I kept it well cleared. So did my neighbors. The National Forests are a disaster in more ways than one.
I would gladly have a conversation with anyone who only lives in NYC & thinks that Central Park is a forest.
Take a good long look at the policies that the Sierra Club pushed thru with Bruce Babbitt in office with Bill Clinton.
It would be a good thing were the SC sued out of existence.
Thanks.
She is a brave young woman, and so are her fire fighting friends.
It requires temendous courage.
tRemendous.
sorry.
Dying 50+ year old pine trees have cost us thousands of $’s the past 3 years. The bark beetles had basically killed or harmed every pine tree in our area.
3 were in our front yard, planted by a previous owner. Total cost to cut down, chip and remove the rotting stumps $5,000.
The year before a good neighbor and I went in half’s on 3 pine trees bordering on our mutual back yards. That only cost $4500.
Last year we had one remaining pine tree, a huge and dying tree in both back yards. That tree cost $2500 and we had the chips scattered and left in our back yards.
Last year the local deer herd killed our Rock Roses and other shrubs like Pyracathia by eating too close to the roots. $2,000 to our yard guy to cut and remove the dead or dying brush and haul the crud to the local dump. No one would chip the stuff as it gums up chippers. The city/county chippers were destroyed by this crud by June a year ago, and they could not chip our crud.
I was among them until the Waldo Canyon and Black Forest fires here in Colorado Springs in 2012 and 2013. Now all of my neighbors and I have done major clearing of brush and trimming of tree branches up to 12' off the ground. However, we still spend the summer with our cars half-packed in case we have to evacuate in a hurry. Fire is terrifying, and I'm so sorry for all of the people in California who've lost their homes.
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