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To: BeauBo
Well, not quite all, but in your message, which you posted, #39 -- there was no 1200 BC collapse, no "Sea Peoples" in 1200 BC, no 1177 BC collapse for that matter, and the Hyksos weren't overthrown until the time of King Saul of Israel. Hugging the seacoasts was not a navigational technique in ancient times.

48 posted on 10/21/2018 7:59:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: SunkenCiv

“there was no 1200 BC collapse, no “Sea Peoples” in 1200 BC, no 1177 BC collapse”

“1200 BC” is simply a rounding - “Circa” 1200 BC, if you like.

The term “Sea Peoples” may be a modern term for a collection of peoples (Ekwesh, Teresh, Sherden, the Sheklesh, Lukka, Tursha and Akawasha) who attacked and destroyed many of the cities/societies of the region - but the term not being contemporaneous is very different from them not existing.

Starting about a hundred years before 1177 BC, three great pharaohs recorded their conflicts and victories over the “Sea Peoples” - Ramesses II (The Great, 1279-1213 BCE), his son and successor Merenptah (1213-1203 BCE), and Ramesses III (1186-1155 BCE). All three claimed great victories over their adversaries and their inscriptions provide the most detailed evidence of the Sea Peoples - including on prime real estate in Karnak, and on Pharaonic funerary steles.

“Circa” 1200 BC the Hittite State was destroyed, and cities in the region continued to be overrun and laid waste by this coalition, until their culminating defeat by Ramses III in a naval battle off of the city of Xois in 1178 BCE - which left the Egyptian treasury depleted, unable to pay their workers, and their traditional regional trading partners in ruins and political chaos.

The next year, 1177 BC, began a generations-long period of relative isolation and low trade levels around the Eastern Mediterranean, until societies and economies rebuilt themselves.


50 posted on 10/21/2018 8:47:53 PM PDT by BeauBo
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To: SunkenCiv

“Hyksos weren’t overthrown until the time of King Saul of Israel”

I did not say otherwise. I said:

“Egypt had a standing navy during the 17th and 18th Dynasties (Hatshepsut reigned during the 18th), AS DEMONSTRATED BY The Siege of Avaris in the Nile delta, against the Hyksos”

The record of that battle documented that they had an organized Navy at that time, with sea-worthy ships (as opposed to strictly river ships). It was about establishing the nautical technology/capability that was available to the Egyptian State during the 18th Dynasty. That they were capable of navigating the Red Sea was the point, not that they had eradicated Hyksosism from the face of the Earth at that time.


52 posted on 10/21/2018 8:59:48 PM PDT by BeauBo
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To: SunkenCiv

“Hugging the seacoasts was not a navigational technique in ancient times.”

Hugging the seacoast was a navigational technique at all times. Keeping sight of the shore is the most basic navigational technique of all.


53 posted on 10/21/2018 9:03:44 PM PDT by BeauBo
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