A. Understanding Trump. First of all we know that the MSM characterization of Trump is patently false. He is very strategic with long term planning. He is also very aware of the news as he is a master showman who wants to control the message. The possibility that Trump is unaware of Q is nil.
B. So if Trump is aware of Q why does he not debunk it if he is not associated with Q? I think there are 2 main reasons.
(i) The first reason was discussed in a tweet from Imperator Rex (See the thread on the pinned tweet from July 8 at the top of his tweets. This is a great read - if you haven't read it you should it is well worth it - q is primarily discussed on item numbers 10 -19.) The key concept is that the research that is being performed by the anons in relation to the Q comments effectively has a research staff of 1000’s at no cost. Imperator Rex says this is genius.
(ii) The other reason is that the comments are all pro Trump and anti deep state. This point of view has not waivered. Almost all of us are aware of the sedition against the President and the crimes perpetrated by the cast of characters - Clinton, Comey, Strock, Brennan, McCabe, etc. Q has helped to red pill this awareness to many. This awareness is critical to bringing down the deep state. If Q is phony it is not from the left who would want to do everything to prevent this awareness.
Both items (i) and (ii) greatly benefit Trump so there is no incentive for him to debunk Q. It is something that can easily be done without disparaging Q followers all of whom are patriots (regardless of whether Q was real). He could set up someone asking him the Q question. I think that these benefits far outweigh the negatives. If Q were harmful to Trump, it is obvious to me (as I have carefully followed Trump from the inception of his June 2015 candidacy) that Trump would debunk it. This concludes my initial assertion.
Before I address the 6 points, I will elaborate on understanding Trump. I believe that Trump has been well aware of what is occurring from the get go. Recall that Admiral Rogers went to see Trump shortly after he got elected and the next day he moved his operation from Trump Tower to Bedminster NJ. Also Trump has been preparing for many years (20-30) and is well connected and aware of the swamp. He is also no stranger to battling with people. It is obvious that he has a strategy in mind. The proof of this is holding back the release of documents requested by Congress. If they are damning to the deep state as is suggested, and in light of the Mueller witch hunt then why not release them right away. Is it reasonable to believe that Trump is going to allow himself to be a punching bag and not fight back? Of course not. The answer is that there must be a strategy in place. A logical speculation is timing - remember Trump is a master showman. Many of us (including me) are impatient and what to see the criminals punished yesterday. Trump however has a long term strategy. By the way his tweets (which are important and strategic) have mentioned declassification. It is clear it is in motion.
Now I will address the 6 points.
1. The point about messaging. Trump has demonstrated that he wants to be the message maker. That is his thing. There is nothing in Q's threads that contradicts Trumps message. There might be some stuff that Trump does not address but I do not see a conflict of Trump vs. Q. With respect about Kabucki theater, the only thing that I see is the Trust Sessions (and some others). Bloggers Stealth Jeff, Imperator Rex and Thomas Wictor (they all retweet each other) have made a good case that the Trump feud with Sessions is a misdirection. The salient points to this are this has allowed Sessions to do his work unimpeded by the MSM (Jonathan Turley wrote a great article earlier this year that Huber with a staff of almost 500 is more effective than a special council) and also it has the Rats and the MSM supporting Sessions. This makes it more palatable for acceptance when Sessions gets indictments. It is genius if so. Also looking at Trump, the behaviors of a feud do not add up. Why would Trump not say things in private to Sessions rather than go through the tweets. I am not fully there on these arguments. My hesitancy is that when the 1st feud occurred in public in 2017 with Trump's tweets Sessions was on Tucker Carlson's show and showed great pains from Trumps comments. It was obvious to me that he was not in on any plan at that time. Subsequently, I think (at least hope) that Trump has spoken to Sessions and told him of his plan. Regardless of what you believe about Sessions and Trump, I do not believe that there is any messaging concern for Trump.
2. With respect to the calming effect on people, the key is whether people get indicted. To me that is the essence of Q. If this doesn't happen (a takedown of the deep state is the real goal), then Q was worthless, even if real. This takes time. It is clear that we could not have started out with indictments in the first few months of Trump's administration. That would have been politically disastrous. 3. This is future speculation. Not relevant from existing threads. 4. The red piling of the deep state is critical. I would agree that there has been wild speculation that has not helped. However, the key is the awareness of the deep state. That is what makes the indictments more acceptable. 5. I accept the premise that the feuding with each other is not helpful. To me, the key is dismantling the deep state and getting indictments. That reality makes the feud moot as that is desired by both sides of the Q debate. If there is no action taken then the discord could be harmful to Trump as great frustration would be felt by his supporters. This would be true without any Q threads. 6. It is true that Q's popularity is based on hope. Also the Q gatherings have developed somewhat into cult behaviors. Some of the Q proofs border on the absurdity. There is one person I follow daily who interprets the Q posts as I find it very interesting and intelligent. Yet there have been some comments that have been cult like. I will name 2. One was a Nov 2017 Trump tweet (retweeted within the last month) where he mentioned 2Qs of growth and Q had 2 posts that day. Another was referencing Trumps Sept 11 tweet where he said that it was the 17th anniversary of 9/11 and she noted 17 - meaning attributing that to Q. Both of these are absurd from a well informed intelligent person. Clear cult like behavior. All of this Q following has a common pro Trump thread to it. That is what bonds everyone. I see no harm at all to Trump. In summary, I conclude that Q is not at all harmful to President Trump. In fact, Q has been helpful.
“I conclude that Q is not at all harmful...”
Lying to people is never harmless. Even if you rationalize “it is for their own good”.
JME_FAN,
You got a well-reasoned reply and decided to ignore it. Why not reply to the points below if you’re serious about your 6 points?
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The premise that Q is a danger to the Trump presidency is absurd. Obviously, if Q is real and working in tandem with President Trump my comment is obvious. So for the points below lets assume that Q is independent of Trump. What do we know for sure.
A. Understanding Trump. First of all we know that the MSM characterization of Trump is patently false. He is very strategic with long term planning. He is also very aware of the news as he is a master showman who wants to control the message. The possibility that Trump is unaware of Q is nil.
B. So if Trump is aware of Q why does he not debunk it if he is not associated with Q? I think there are 2 main reasons.
(i) The first reason was discussed in a tweet from Imperator Rex (See the thread on the pinned tweet from July 8 at the top of his tweets. This is a great read - if you haven’t read it you should it is well worth it - q is primarily discussed on item numbers 10 -19.) The key concept is that the research that is being performed by the anons in relation to the Q comments effectively has a research staff of 1000’s at no cost. Imperator Rex says this is genius.
(ii) The other reason is that the comments are all pro Trump and anti deep state. This point of view has not waivered. Almost all of us are aware of the sedition against the President and the crimes perpetrated by the cast of characters - Clinton, Comey, Strock, Brennan, McCabe, etc. Q has helped to red pill this awareness to many. This awareness is critical to bringing down the deep state. If Q is phony it is not from the left who would want to do everything to prevent this awareness.
Both items (i) and (ii) greatly benefit Trump so there is no incentive for him to debunk Q. It is something that can easily be done without disparaging Q followers all of whom are patriots (regardless of whether Q was real). He could set up someone asking him the Q question. I think that these benefits far outweigh the negatives. If Q were harmful to Trump, it is obvious to me (as I have carefully followed Trump from the inception of his June 2015 candidacy) that Trump would debunk it. This concludes my initial assertion.
Before I address the 6 points, I will elaborate on understanding Trump. I believe that Trump has been well aware of what is occurring from the get go. Recall that Admiral Rogers went to see Trump shortly after he got elected and the next day he moved his operation from Trump Tower to Bedminster NJ. Also Trump has been preparing for many years (20-30) and is well connected and aware of the swamp. He is also no stranger to battling with people. It is obvious that he has a strategy in mind. The proof of this is holding back the release of documents requested by Congress. If they are damning to the deep state as is suggested, and in light of the Mueller witch hunt then why not release them right away. Is it reasonable to believe that Trump is going to allow himself to be a punching bag and not fight back? Of course not. The answer is that there must be a strategy in place. A logical speculation is timing - remember Trump is a master showman. Many of us (including me) are impatient and what to see the criminals punished yesterday. Trump however has a long term strategy. By the way his tweets (which are important and strategic) have mentioned declassification. It is clear it is in motion.
Now I will address the 6 points.
1. The point about messaging. Trump has demonstrated that he wants to be the message maker. That is his thing. There is nothing in Q’s threads that contradicts Trumps message. There might be some stuff that Trump does not address but I do not see a conflict of Trump vs. Q. With respect about Kabucki theater, the only thing that I see is the Trust Sessions (and some others). Bloggers Stealth Jeff, Imperator Rex and Thomas Wictor (they all retweet each other) have made a good case that the Trump feud with Sessions is a misdirection. The salient points to this are this has allowed Sessions to do his work unimpeded by the MSM (Jonathan Turley wrote a great article earlier this year that Huber with a staff of almost 500 is more effective than a special council) and also it has the Rats and the MSM supporting Sessions. This makes it more palatable for acceptance when Sessions gets indictments. It is genius if so. Also looking at Trump, the behaviors of a feud do not add up. Why would Trump not say things in private to Sessions rather than go through the tweets. I am not fully there on these arguments. My hesitancy is that when the 1st feud occurred in public in 2017 with Trump’s tweets Sessions was on Tucker Carlson’s show and showed great pains from Trumps comments. It was obvious to me that he was not in on any plan at that time. Subsequently, I think (at least hope) that Trump has spoken to Sessions and told him of his plan. Regardless of what you believe about Sessions and Trump, I do not believe that there is any messaging concern for Trump.
2. With respect to the calming effect on people, the key is whether people get indicted. To me that is the essence of Q. If this doesn’t happen (a takedown of the deep state is the real goal), then Q was worthless, even if real. This takes time. It is clear that we could not have started out with indictments in the first few months of Trump’s administration. That would have been politically disastrous. 3. This is future speculation. Not relevant from existing threads. 4. The red piling of the deep state is critical. I would agree that there has been wild speculation that has not helped. However, the key is the awareness of the deep state. That is what makes the indictments more acceptable. 5. I accept the premise that the feuding with each other is not helpful. To me, the key is dismantling the deep state and getting indictments. That reality makes the feud moot as that is desired by both sides of the Q debate. If there is no action taken then the discord could be harmful to Trump as great frustration would be felt by his supporters. This would be true without any Q threads. 6. It is true that Q’s popularity is based on hope. Also the Q gatherings have developed somewhat into cult behaviors. Some of the Q proofs border on the absurdity. There is one person I follow daily who interprets the Q posts as I find it very interesting and intelligent. Yet there have been some comments that have been cult like. I will name 2. One was a Nov 2017 Trump tweet (retweeted within the last month) where he mentioned 2Qs of growth and Q had 2 posts that day. Another was referencing Trumps Sept 11 tweet where he said that it was the 17th anniversary of 9/11 and she noted 17 - meaning attributing that to Q. Both of these are absurd from a well informed intelligent person. Clear cult like behavior. All of this Q following has a common pro Trump thread to it. That is what bonds everyone. I see no harm at all to Trump. In summary, I conclude that Q is not at all harmful to President Trump. In fact, Q has been helpful.