Posted on 08/31/2018 10:40:07 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
Edited on 09/01/2018 7:49:59 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Authorities say a South Carolina woman has been charged with murder after killing her husband by putting eye drops into his water for several days. York County deputies said 52-year-old Lana Clayton confessed to investigators after an autopsy uncovered a high amount of tetrahydrozoline in her husband's body. The chemical is found in over-the-counter eye drops such as Visine. Authorities say 64-year-old Stephen Clayton was found dead July 21 in the couple's home in Clover. Arrest warrants and the statement from deputies didn't give a motive for the alleged poisoning. Lana Clayton also is charged with malicious tampering with a drug product or food. Jail records did not indicate if she had a lawyer.
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Yea, it’s just SDS now. Safety Data Sheet, but still commonly referred to as MSDS.
I work for a specialty chemical manufacturer. I think telling employees and users to read the SDS is kind of stupid. They are written in very clinical terms and require lots of foreknowledge to understand them. Without that, people without that foreknowledge get scared by them.
When the true relationship came to focus, the wife had it up to her eyeballs.
In tears, she plotted his demise, a plan was in sight.
I work in research. I expect for everyone who is allowed into a lab to know how to read an MSDS.
But you are correct. Someone who does not know how to read and interpret an MSDS could be unduly alarmed after reading one. I remember reading the MSDS for glucose and thinking that it would scare anyone who does not know that glucose is a common sugar found in many foods.
The company I work for sells construction materials. Many of our users, while highly skilled in their trades aren’t very intellectual. The verbiage in a SDS is downright scary.
I wish they would maybe have a simple version that told how to deal with spills, ingestion and fire, leaving the rest to the science types.
Actually, death by eye-drops was in at least one Agatha Christie novel, maybe two.
Maybe that’s where the woman got the idea?
I had heard eye drops can make you sick, but I didn’t know they could kill.
Very gracious of you to say so.
Since you have professed to be an expert in this area... you really ought to know better. I worked as the leader of a hazmat team for many years and responded to numerous calls where people became very ill or died after receiving doses far less than what we calculated as the “LD50” dose of various chemical substances. LD50 is just one of the indicators we use to determine the seriousness of an exposure.
More precisely, in the aftermath of the movie Wedding Crashers this “prank” became much more common. As EMTs and paramedics we responded to many calls involving copycat scenarios. Personally, I never saw a death from this but the results were frequently very serious. Many patients were transported. Poison control was consulted and the police were notified when the poisoner was able to be identified. Arrests were made and people were hauled off in hand cuffs while we were still onscene.
From my point of view your statement here is at the very least... irresponsible. If I had made the same type of statement on a public forum regarding various substances while I was working and it got back to my supervisors, I would rightfully have been removed from my position.
Clearly, a Plexaderm candidate. Need to get proper for prison.
You have to recognize what an LD50 is.
Very specifically, it is the dose which will kill half of the test subjects which received the dose. We can also talk about LD10, LD90, LD70, etc. The number refers to the percentage of the subject population which will die when given that dose.
A dose below the LD50 can certainly cause effects; that is not what the LD50 determines. There are other measures of effects, for example the ED50 is one measure (ED=effective dose). You certainly can cause acute discomfort requiring medical attention by administering a dose well below the LD50. Let me emphasize this point: a sub-LD50 dose is NOT a dose that does not cause any effects or symptoms.
For FDA approved drugs, the larger the gap between an LD50 and an ED50, the better.
Last, I would ask who is being irresponsible here. I am providing accurate information, based on a published LD50. I spoke only of lethal effects, not other effects that a person ingesting the substance might experience. I am not spreading the word that you can kill someone by putting a bottle of Visine in their tea; it seems to me that you are trying to do just that. If someone who is looking for a way to kill someone reads my assessment of the science, or your claim that even a bottle of Visine is enough to kill, whose statement is more likely to convince them to act?
This happens to be my field of research. We are generating the data on LD50s, ED50s, and all of the other toxicological data which you are simply using without the in-depth understanding of the science that we have to have. So please don’t talk to me about being “irresponsible.” I know what I’m talking about, far more than you do.
“I think if you feel the need to test your food for poison it’s time to get divorced”
Can’t shitcan your wife because she gets sick on you.
That is absolute nonsense! Why don't you put up an actual quote that indicates that was my intent. As someone representing yourself as a professional you are clearly acting in an IRRESPONSIBLE manner! To me it is very worrisome that you seem to be completely unable to connect the dots between actual field experience and clinical data and the theoretical work that you claim to be engaging in.
If your employer discovered that you were engaging in this type of discussion on a public forum and essentially claiming that pouring a bottle of Visine in someone’s food or drink is a harmless prank... you would lose your job, just as I would have lost my job. Someone with such a cavalier attitude towards other people's safety should not be working in the position you claim to be in regardless of your technical skills.
And here once again is the quote from post 37 that would appear to indicate your intent,
“According to my back of the envelope calculations, he would have had to have consumed over 13 gallons of Visine to have reached an LD50.”
Huh?
For further clarification... my first post in this thread was #19. I ended with, “My assumption is that this woman was trying to torture her husband and not kill him.” My intent in this thread has been to point out that from my own experience poisoning people with eye drops is dangerous and can have serious consequences. It is not a harmless prank. You on the other hand have been pushing your belief that they are essentially harmless.
People can die from drinking a couple gallons of pure water in one sitting. You saying someone would have to drink 13 gallons of Visine to reach a lethal dose is misleading and inaccurate especially to those with no technical training.
Will have to take them off the counter....only thru the pharmacists.....like pseudoephedrine/ sudafed
I was just thinking that you might have a brighter future working for CNN. ; )
I assume you are joking. As exDemMom has pointed out it is nearly impossible to reach a dosage of tetrahydrozoline that would be consistently lethal to most people using eye drops. But having responded to this type of medical call during my career I can assure you that it is much more serious than a prank.
Poisoning someone with eye drops can cause very serious consequences up to death, especially in kids and vulnerable people. It also can result in serious jail time and/or legal consequences for the perpetrator. But this substance would certainly not be a reliable poison for murdering someone.
Bartenders revenge?
Thanks
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