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Hitler's faith: The debate over Nazism and religion
Radio Australia ^ | 2012 | Samuel Koehne

Posted on 08/04/2018 5:36:48 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege

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To: wastedyears
I taped it from CSPAN when it took place. But I would not know how to upload to anything.

I checked CSPAN recently and they show only a portion of that event, but not the interaction with Lurleen.

When I saw it I sat up straight and right there decided I needed to read everything about Hillary I could get my hands on.

21 posted on 08/04/2018 7:13:20 PM PDT by Slyfox (Not my circus, not my monkeys)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I don’t know why there is a need for debate on this. The history is clear and, if Nazism had endured, there would have been nothing resembling the Christian Church in the Reich.


22 posted on 08/04/2018 7:36:06 PM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

For instance, when Hitler was in Landsberg Prison, his right-hand man, Rudolf Hess, wrote in a confidential letter that Hitler told him that, as painful as it was for him, ‘for reasons of political expediency he [Hitler] had to play the hypocrite toward his church.’

https://www.premierchristianity.com/Blog/Sorry-Whoopi-Hitler-was-no-Christian


23 posted on 08/04/2018 7:49:21 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (2016: For the first time since 1984, I voted for a Rep President all other votes were anti Dem)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I have always believed that the Bible was to Jewish, but then again, I don’t read Hebrew...


24 posted on 08/04/2018 7:49:42 PM PDT by fatez (Ya, well, you know, that's just your opinion man...)
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To: BeauBo

Nazism was to be a religious state combination just like islam.


25 posted on 08/04/2018 7:54:38 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Hitler talked about his religion while blaming Jewish people in many of his speeches. His religion is also mentioned in diaries and other writings of his friends. It’s mentioned in his autobiography, too. Revisionism is enticing to many, but it serves no good purpose. It’s better for a demographic group to continually improve its culture than to try to cover it up. Those of us who neglect to try to improve ourselves by getting rid of deleterious traditions tend to make the mistakes that our forefathers made in some generations.


26 posted on 08/04/2018 8:33:35 PM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Seances and necromancy were very popular with Americans in families of recent immigrants during the 1800s. Too many Americans continue to this day to indulge in other superstitions considered to be idolatry (astrology, etc.).

The Nazis were evil, but their evil rose from a flaw in western civilization; it’s a flaw that needs to be corrected—not swept under the rug of historical revisionism (another Nazi indulgence).


27 posted on 08/04/2018 8:38:35 PM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: BenLurkin

Uncle Adolf never hung paper no matter what Patton says in the great movie.


28 posted on 08/04/2018 8:47:42 PM PDT by arrogantsob (See "Chaos and Mayhem" at Amazon.com)
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To: familyop

What would that flaw be?


29 posted on 08/04/2018 8:53:11 PM PDT by arrogantsob (See "Chaos and Mayhem" at Amazon.com)
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To: fso301
Unfortunately, the Left which owns history departments and Hollywood will never admit that WW-II was a religious war started by the pagan Nazis and Shinto Buddhist Japanese.

And Bolshevik utopians on Stalin's front..communism was a religion too. Interesting take!

30 posted on 08/04/2018 10:44:23 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: arrogantsob
Adjuncts of idolatry: astrology, "luck," necromancy, Ouija boards and much more. Many people of every religion indulge in it. One of the symptoms of idolatry is an attitude approaching animal worship with a growing general hatred and apathy against other human beings (often goes with the conspiracy theory indulgences entailing narcissism).

Adolf Hitler and vegetarianism
Wikipedia
Analysis
[Excerpt:]
If ever a scene showed (even fictional) cruelty to or death of an animal, Hitler would cover his eyes and look away until someone alerted him the scene was over. Alexander Cockburn also wrote of Hitler:
Nazi leaders were noted for love of their pets and for certain animals, notably apex predators like the wolf and the lion. Hitler, a vegetarian and hater of hunting, adored dogs and spent some of his final hours in the company of Blondi, whom he would take for walks outside the bunker at some danger to himself. He had a particular enthusiasm for birds and most of all for wolves. [...] Goebbels said, famously, ‘The only real friend one has in the end is the dog. . . The more I get to know the human species, the more I care for my Benno.’ Goebbels also agreed with Hitler that ‘meat eating is a perversion in our human nature,’ and that Christianity was a ‘symptom of decay’, since it did not urge vegetarianism. [...] On the one hand, monsters of cruelty towards their fellow humans; on the other, kind to animals and zealous in their interest. In their very fine essay on such contradictions, Arnold Arluke and Boria Sax offer three observations. One, as just noted, many Nazi leaders harboured affection towards animals but antipathy to humans. Hitler was given films by a maharaja which displayed animals killing people. The Führer watched with equanimity. Another film showed humans killing animals. Hitler covered his eyes and begged to be told when the slaughter was over.[29]


31 posted on 08/05/2018 2:12:10 AM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Eh, I’m not sure I’d go so far as to call Communism a religion. At most, it’s a philosophical viewpoint. When I think of a religion, I think of three key aspects that are required (all three of them, or at least two):

1. A deity

2. Supernatural elements/creatures/abilities

3. An afterlife

Communism has none of those (or at most, it probably has supernatural elements if their researching PSI is of any indication). The Nazis could at least claim to religion under a pagan sense. Same goes for the Japanese with their Shinto Buddhism.


32 posted on 08/05/2018 5:01:48 AM PDT by otness_e
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To: fatez

That depends on which Jewish you mean. If you mean the Old Testament (aka Torah) kind of Jews, then yes, the bible was indeed Jewish. If by Jewish you mean Talmudic Judaism, then no, the Bible is definitely not Jewish (and if anything, the Talmud is a complete trashing of the Old Testament among others).


33 posted on 08/05/2018 5:10:04 AM PDT by otness_e
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Just a little bit of history and niceties here for the puppets of Satan regards the wonderful world of socialism.

https://thestoryoflibertyblog.com/2014/04/25/video-fabian-socialism-revealed-for-what-it-is-george-bernard-shaw-in-his-own-words/


34 posted on 08/05/2018 6:12:47 AM PDT by Rock N Jones (1935)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
Hitler's religion, if it can be called that, was "Hitlerism".

Anything else he said is evidence of whatever he was trying to put across in the particular speech.

35 posted on 08/05/2018 11:48:14 AM PDT by Salman (It's not just lack of "civility". The Democratic Party is now a terrorist organization.)
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To: familyop

While we know that humans are susceptible to Evil, Hitler was a little over-the-top.

Did you ever read “Der Fuehrer” by Konrad Heiden? If you like Hitler History (there is little other on the tube) this is an illuminating book. It doesn’t go into the Occultism, though.


36 posted on 08/05/2018 11:54:14 AM PDT by arrogantsob (See "Chaos and Mayhem" at Amazon.com)
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To: Calvin Locke
I’m pretty sure he was raised a Catholic, and even sang in the choir.

He was actually an altar boy when he was very young. Not much of that translated to his adult life, though, as the number of Catholics he sent to the camps attests. I don't think he could really be described as adhering to any established religion at all, though. He appeared to enjoy some weird neo-pagan Wagnerian operatic mysticism a lot on occasion but any faith I've ever been able to discern in Hitler was strictly in himself as the savior of the Aryan people, whoever he imagined them to be.

37 posted on 08/05/2018 12:02:44 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: arrogantsob
"Did you ever read “Der Fuehrer” by Konrad Heiden? If you like Hitler History (there is little other on the tube) this is an illuminating book."

I haven't read that one. Thanks. Will have a look.

Here's something that I've found interesting recently. Many psychologists lean toward conclusions that psychopathy is mostly or completely inherited. They say that there's no cure. Many of them also state that psychopaths tend to avoid each other while focusing more on manipulable people (non-psychopaths).

So I wonder, how did so many psychopaths get together for leadership? What, in the case of the Nazis, prevented them from avoiding one another and attracted them to cooperate instead?


38 posted on 08/05/2018 12:16:26 PM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: fso301
Of course Hitler did what his parents made him do as a kid. I've seen no evidence he practiced the faith as an adult.

On the other hand, his regime sent many priests, in addition to Protestant clergy like Bonhoeffer, to prisons and the camps.

39 posted on 08/05/2018 12:45:08 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: familyop

There are certain aspects to that penetrating question.

One is that there were various levels of what the Party really believed, not all were Bat-shit crazy. He applied the Leninist model of concentric rings of party members with different things being taught. Only the Head has the complete picture.

Hitler was an expert at playing off one group on the others.
His early followers (especially) loved violence and fighting the Social Democrats in the streets. Anti-communists supported him, anti-Semites, nationalists, ex-military from WW1. The he had a great knack of jettisoning those of no further use or who had too much information about his history or plans.

Then you had the Goebbelsmedia spreading lies that this was all necessary for the salvation of the People.

When the psychopaths attack and destroy their enemies it is easier to unite. There were thousands of political murders carried out by the “Secret Army of Killers”, almost all Nazi opponents.

Trevor Ravenscraft’s “The Spear of Destiny” sheds light on the the occult dimension of his rise, something ordinary histories don’t even mention. Hitler’s surrender to Evil was comprehensive and complete beginning when he lived in Vienna.


40 posted on 08/05/2018 3:31:06 PM PDT by arrogantsob (See "Chaos and Mayhem" at Amazon.com)
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