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To: Wuli

No - you’re using lies, damned lies and statistics argument and slicing down conditions and details until you get the results you want.

As a self-proclaimed actuarial you’re well aware that the assumptions from those studies do, in fact, reflect the funding and coverage actions of those groups.

Or are you going to call all the lgbt groups that decry that suicide is higher and more prevalent in their community liars? Or that there’s been concerted efforts by the gay community to study their own health conditions they’re afflicted with (this study that Pooh Pooh as apples and oranges)

Using your own ill conceived scientism we could come up with a study that fits your credentials and you’d still decry it because it only applies to one country or one sub group and wasn’t indicative of worldwide Gaye’s

Then we’d do a study of world wide gays and you’d say that’s apples and oranges and only gay people of that one period of study and not a representation of gay people in general.

See, I can play this game too.


85 posted on 08/03/2018 12:56:49 PM PDT by Skywise
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To: Skywise

There is one giant error in it all, that you keep ignoring.

It is not a question that “gay” men are more likley to engage in behavior risky to their health. For sure. Nor is it a question that “gay” men acquire HIV at a higher rate than others. Nor is it a question that persons with HIV have an shorter than average lifespan.

The error is how so many so-called “studies” attempt to attribute some identifiable shorter than average life span for “gay” men, and the conflate that same degree of a shorter life span to ALL “gay” men. Then, with those errors in hand the claim as “fact” an expectant lifespan for all “gay” men.

Conflating mortality for those with HIV to all “gay” men is an error. And there is no known, actuarially accepted, tally of deaths broken down as “gay” and “straight”, so their is no professional actuarially accepted average life span for all “gay” men.

THAT is not saying it is most likely lower than for straight men. It most likely is. All it says is that there is no reputable number for it. And when people try say a certain number representing a life span for all “gay” men is a fact, we know it is not a fact.


92 posted on 08/04/2018 9:04:53 AM PDT by Wuli
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