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At Franco's tomb, protesters rally against moving his body
TheLocal.es ^ | 16 July 2018 08:54 CEST+02:00 | AFP

Posted on 07/16/2018 10:52:13 PM PDT by Olog-hai

At least 1,000 people gathered at the grandiose tomb of the late Spanish dictator Francisco Franco on Sunday to protest against Madrid’s plans to move his body, an AFP photographer said.

Franco, who ruled Spain from 1939 to 1975 when he died, is buried in a valley just outside Madrid in an imposing basilica carved into a mountain face with a 150-meter (490-feet) cross towering over it. Known as the Valle de los Caidos (Valley of the Fallen), it is a deeply divisive symbol of a past that Spain still finds difficult to digest.

By late morning, a long line had built up of people waiting to attend a mass inside the vast structure after a far-right group called for a “national, patriotic and religious pilgrimage” to prevent “the plunder” of his grave by Spain’s new Socialist government. […]

Under Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez, who took office on June 2, the new Socialist government has quickly pushed forward plans to exhume his remains, saying Spain “can’t allow symbols that divide”. …

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KEYWORDS: eussr; franco; socialist; spain
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To: Huaynero

That is correct as well. Unlike the false claims against President Trump, Salvador Allende WAS a willing and paid operative of the Soviet Union and a traitor to Chile.


21 posted on 07/17/2018 5:27:38 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj ("It's Slappin' Time !")
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To: FLT-bird

Communist governments almost always must be overthrown. The ideology does not permit a peaceful transition, because such an acknowledgement would mean it is flawed and wrong-headed.


22 posted on 07/17/2018 5:30:47 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj ("It's Slappin' Time !")
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To: zeestephen

“Half the population doesn’t know who Franco was.”

I’ll bet more than half the population doesn’t know who Chevy Chase is.


23 posted on 07/17/2018 5:56:59 AM PDT by mkleesma (`Call to me, and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.')
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To: Olog-hai

As usual, the Left wants to unwrite history, which is why they like to tear down monuments of those who disagreed with them. They’d prefer there only be monuments of THEIR tyrants, at least the ones they have not yet found some reason to unwrite their history.


24 posted on 07/17/2018 5:58:32 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: FLT-bird; Pelham; Travis McGee

Franco had Bolshevik enemies

Freepers should look around us how this mindset acts today and think about how hard we may have to push back one day if we wish to prevail

Even now is Spain softer socialism is back obviously

They never quit because they appeal to the easy side of human nature

Blame others and take care of me, it’s the religion of the unhappy

Franco is damn role model


25 posted on 07/17/2018 6:37:40 AM PDT by wardaddy (Hanged not hung.)
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To: wardaddy

Franco, like Pinochet, was a hero who saved his country and left it better off.


26 posted on 07/17/2018 6:46:38 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Olog-hai
I came here just to check if Generalisimo Francisco Franco is still dead. Image and video hosting by TinyPic p
27 posted on 07/17/2018 6:55:50 AM PDT by CaptainPhilFan
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To: CaptainPhilFan

Chevy Chase’s career is dead.


28 posted on 07/17/2018 6:56:35 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

His mistake was not pushing for a “Vacation” tv series when it would’ve been a hit. That talk show in 1993 killed his career, it was all B-movies and crap ever since.


29 posted on 07/17/2018 7:31:55 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj ("It's Slappin' Time !")
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To: fieldmarshaldj

What did he save Spain from?

Like Ireland’s De Valera, he was “unofficially” allied with Adolf. He was bought out of WWII, essentially. And he kept supplying materials such as tungsten to Germany. He allowed the Abwehr to operate in Spain and Morocco. Centralism was the order of the day at government level.


30 posted on 07/17/2018 8:15:50 AM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: FLT-bird

So his centralized governing was not inspired by the left?


31 posted on 07/17/2018 8:18:01 AM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: wardaddy

Every “national” socialist has Bolshevik enemies. Red herring.


32 posted on 07/17/2018 8:19:16 AM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: dfwgator
Everyone knows that he’s really Jim Morrison in disguise. And that his wife Jayni is really Pamela Courson. (Someone told me that conspiracy theory back in high school in the late 1980s.)


33 posted on 07/17/2018 8:23:34 AM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Olog-hai

He saved Spain from becoming a Soviet state and yet another beachhead for that terror and insanity. He was certainly nowhere on par with Hitler, nor did he engage in those Nazi atrocities. Conversely, FDR openly chose to align us with Joseph Stalin, who made Hitler look like a choir boy, and gave the Soviets entrée into infesting our nation and institutions with their Communism like a malignant cancer, which has never abated to this day.


34 posted on 07/17/2018 8:27:11 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj ("It's Slappin' Time !")
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To: fieldmarshaldj

That’s like arguing that Adolf would save Poland from becoming a Soviet state by his military presence there. Red herring, and false comparison with FDR, not to mention the USSR did not of course declare war on the USA whereas Nazi Germany did. Patton, BTW, wanted to deal with the USSR once the war was over; it is a pity that more US leaders at the time did not think as he did.

I do not regard Eamon de Valera as saving Ireland from becoming “Soviet” either by his stance. And was there even a danger of Spain joining the Soviet bloc or being conquered by it? Let’s have fewer false equivalencies.


35 posted on 07/17/2018 8:39:30 AM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Olog-hai

He was smart enough not to ever join the Axis. Yes the abwehr operates in Spain. You realize Wilhelm Canaria anti Nazi and told Franco not to make a deal with Hitler right? Given a choice between Franco or the Commies, I’ll take Franco every time.


36 posted on 07/17/2018 8:49:47 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: Olog-hai

I do not consider it a false comparison. FDR willing chose to align us with a monster even more evil than Hitler. That gave the Soviets full advantage for decades to infiltrate our nation from top to bottom, into the government, into Hollywood, into our education system. We never fully rooted out that evil, and the Deep State can be traced to that infiltration.

While you criticize Franco, what was the alternative for Spain ? They had two choices in the 1930s. Him or the Communist “Republicans” pledged to stamping out Catholicism en masse.

Yes, Patton knew who the real evil was, and that’s why he was murdered. He’d have been the man to root out and stop the Soviet menace, both abroad and domestically, as he was likely to be the next President in 1948.


37 posted on 07/17/2018 8:49:52 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj ("It's Slappin' Time !")
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To: Olog-hai

Realize if the Republicans won in Spain, Hitler most likely invades, and Jews would have lost one of the last safe havens in Europe.

Also Franco refused Hitler’s request to attack Gibraltar.

Franco threw Hitler just enough bones to keep Hitler off of his back , it was the only option he had.


38 posted on 07/17/2018 8:52:41 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Olog-hai

de Valera wanted England to lose.


39 posted on 07/17/2018 8:53:56 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

No, it was not his only option. Franco could have reached out to the Allied powers if he really was a pro-freedom leader.


40 posted on 07/17/2018 9:01:09 AM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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