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I played some "Harpoon" back in the day. Combat air patrols and AWACS were difference makers.
1 posted on 07/05/2018 6:10:10 AM PDT by C19fan
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2 posted on 07/05/2018 6:12:56 AM PDT by Fido969 (In!)
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Harpoon.....awesome game!


3 posted on 07/05/2018 6:13:13 AM PDT by ealgeone
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I spent way too much time with computer Harpoon in the 1990s. And you vastly understate the importance of AWACS.

Regarding Harpoon and the subject of this article, Larry Bond wasn’t the co-author of Red Storm Rising with Tom Clancy for nothing. And reading that book is a great way to see what Cold War naval conflict could have been like.


5 posted on 07/05/2018 6:29:59 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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Wasn’t the United States supposed to have learned that good deal about Soviet submarines when they raised that one out of very deep waters off the coast of Hawaii back in the 1970s?


6 posted on 07/05/2018 6:37:43 AM PDT by OttawaFreeper ("The Gardens was founded by men-sportsmen-who fought for their country" Conn Smythe, 1966)
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I think in the end, Soviet war policy likely relied on it going nuclear fairly early. The policy was primarily aimed to knock out as many military and commercial airfields as possible early on, which would allow the Red Army to operate with less threat of an air attack on its ground forces. That's why the Russians had large numbers of SS-4, SS-5, SS-12 and SS-20 missile targeted specifically at airfields.

But getting back on topic, the article was probably right--the primary goal of the Soviet Navy was to protect its ballistic missile submarines in the Barents Sea and the Sea of Okhotsk, since Soviet war policy was to keep ballistic submarines as close to Russian land regions as possible.

8 posted on 07/05/2018 6:50:38 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's Economic Cure)
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"Despite possessing a massive number of ships and aircraft, the Soviet Navy during the 1970s was still decisively inferior to the combined forces of NATO. The fate of the Navy would have depended, to a great extent, on how long the land war ran."

The land war would have been quickly lost without escalating to nuclear.

In the 70's there were only 6 NATO ports with ship offload capability.

If the Soviet hit these targets our resupply capability would have been crippled to the point of failure, given that out Navy had limited self-offload capability.

9 posted on 07/05/2018 6:55:48 AM PDT by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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We had the drop on their subs with seafloor listening devices until Toshiba sold them state-of-the-art machine tools.


10 posted on 07/05/2018 7:09:32 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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I always thought that the best action for the Soviets (when they were at their strongest relative to us, about 1980) would have been a very advance, perhaps taking 50 square miles of West Germany, and then stopping...and asking the US if we REALLY wanted to exchange nukes over that small, mostly-farm, area.

If the US was ready to talk, then they could have gotten MAJOR concessions on trade, technology, etc. and possibly got to the point where they were able to effectively control Western Europe without firing a shot.

...and given what we see now in Western Europe, it probably would have been better for them.


11 posted on 07/05/2018 7:24:01 AM PDT by BobL (I drive a pick up truck because it makes me feel like a man)
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I think this is a pointless article. Not one mention is made of the Walker spy ring, which would have tipped the naval balance of power decisively in the USSR’s favor.


14 posted on 07/05/2018 8:16:04 AM PDT by PUGACHEV
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