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To: DannyTN

Don’t stretch the point beyond credibility. Liberty can have its “blessings” all by itself in modern English, and citing the “year of the our Lord” as proof of intentional theocracy is ridiculous.


9 posted on 07/04/2018 7:49:07 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: firebrand

It is in there. Maybe they just considered that as understood?


10 posted on 07/04/2018 8:04:40 AM PDT by boycott
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To: firebrand

At least we know God is in the Constitution.

And we know the phrase “year of our Lord” is the right way to think of and refer to the general timeline.


14 posted on 07/04/2018 8:12:28 AM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: firebrand
Don’t stretch the point beyond credibility. Liberty can have its “blessings” all by itself...

Why?

Do you see a difference between the use of "blessings" and the capitalized "Blessings?" Didn't writers of the time capitalize words that referred to God, like they did in the Declaration with Creator, and the unalienable Rights of Life, Liberty, and Happiness, and in the Constitution with Blessings and Liberty?

-PJ

16 posted on 07/04/2018 8:20:40 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (The 1st Amendment gives the People the right to a free press, not CNN the right to the 1st question.)
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To: firebrand
. . . citing the “year of the our Lord” as proof of intentional theocracy is ridiculous.

Yep. "In the year of the Lord" means "Anno Domini" which is AD. It is correct to write AD 1787, 1787 AD not so correct.

25 posted on 07/04/2018 8:50:32 AM PDT by IndispensableDestiny
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To: firebrand

I didn’t cite that as proof of intentional theocracy. You made that up.

But the references are there and they are proof of what most of the founding fathers believed.


45 posted on 07/04/2018 10:46:01 AM PDT by DannyTN
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citing the “year of the our Lord” as proof of intentional theocracy is ridiculous.

A theocracy is a top-down political system overtly declaring itself aligned with a specific religious tradition. A society is a natural, organic mass of persons whose beliefs influence their thoughts and order their actions. These two things should have remained distinct in American jurisprudence, so that while church may not intrude upon the state, neither should the state have routinely intruded upon the society of believers in Nature's God over the past 70 years, distorting our republic to its present state of utter moral relativism without a unifying basis in law.

As but one example, over the past fifteen years, two-thirds of U.S. state legislatures passed laws specifically limiting marriage to "one man and one woman", indicating that the societies of those states wished to remain within the JudeoChristian traditions representative of their electorate. All, count 'em, all of these laws were overturned by activist judges.

53 posted on 07/04/2018 1:30:19 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("There is no grievance that is a fit object of redress by mob law." --Abraham Lincoln)
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