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To: Cboldt

Owing allegiance is consummated by Oath. There is no other way for it to be on record.

An American citizen does not necessarily owe allegiance but they are subject to the laws. If a citizen commits a treasonous act, they are either guilty of sedition, subversion, or treason depending on whether they owe an allegiance or not. And there is no way to prove an allegiance duty other than to find a record of an oath taken. Otherwise, it becomes one word against others, a misapplied interpretation, a misunderstanding, etc.


1,088 posted on 06/29/2018 7:52:44 AM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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To: Hostage
I am not sure if you are agreeing with or amplifying my take on your contnetion, which (me putting words in your mouth) was that a citizen who has not sworn an oath (as a naturalized citizen does) cannot be charged with treason.

My contention is that "owing" is not the same as "affirming," and that a citizen who has not sowrn an oath of allegiance to the US can be charged with treason. See Tokyo Rose, born in the US, not naturalized.

-- An American citizen does not necessarily owe allegiance but they are subject to the laws. --

What is the support for the contention that a US citizen does not, absent taking an oath, owe allegiance to the US?

1,096 posted on 06/29/2018 8:01:02 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Hostage

“Owing allegiance is consummated by Oath.”

This is why *I* believe at this time every federal employee should be required, as a condition of employment or maintenance of employment, to stand before a judge and pledge allegiance to the United States.


1,360 posted on 06/29/2018 1:19:56 PM PDT by ichabod1 (If there is to be war, let it begin here.)
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