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On this Date in 1864

Posted on 06/19/2018 5:30:41 AM PDT by Bull Snipe

Captain Raphael Semmes of CSS Alabama struck his colors to the USS Kearsarge. Captain John Winslow's Kearsarge had pounded the Alabama into a smoldering, sinking wreck in a one hour battle off the coast of Cherbourg France. As she sunk, about 70 of her crew were rescued by the Kearsarge and about 30 by other ships in the area. Alabama had lost about 40 men killed during the battle. Captain Semmes escaped aboard a British ship. During her career as a commerce raider, CSS Alabama had captured or destroyed 65 U.S. flagged ships, and captured about 2000 of their crews. Captain Semmes accomplished this without the loss of a single life, either on Alabama or any of the ships he seized.


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To: DiogenesLamp
Myths are written by the people who lose, and it colors everything they did as good, and everything the winners did as bad.

It's just another form of propaganda.

21 posted on 06/20/2018 8:31:05 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DiogenesLamp
...but at this point the powers in Washington didn't care about law or the constitution, they were reveling in the raw exercise of power.

Interesting comment. I'm having a fascinating discussion with Jeffersondem on just how the powers in Richmond didn't care about the law or the Constitution but just the raw exercise of unfettered power.

22 posted on 06/20/2018 8:35:11 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

His status as a legitimate Brigadier General is suspect. He was never confirmed to that rank by the Confederate Senate.


23 posted on 06/20/2018 8:38:16 AM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe
His status as a legitimate Brigadier General is suspect. He was never confirmed to that rank by the Confederate Senate.

I believe the rebel senate was on the run by then.

24 posted on 06/20/2018 8:42:15 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DiogenesLamp

The issue of the Legitimacy of the Confederate state was determined 152 years ago. It is a closed case.


25 posted on 06/20/2018 8:42:29 AM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: DoodleDawg

That is the case.


26 posted on 06/20/2018 8:46:29 AM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: DoodleDawg

I’m not going to indulge your childish “they did it too!” argument. Bad behavior on the part of another doesn’t justify other people’s bad behavior.


27 posted on 06/20/2018 9:03:08 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DoodleDawg

Except the motive to lie about something is more powerful for the people who stole the money than those who lost it.


28 posted on 06/20/2018 9:04:07 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Bull Snipe
The issue of the Legitimacy of the Confederate state was determined 152 years ago. It is a closed case.

It wasn't debated, dissent was simply crushed with guns and cannon fodder. "Legitimacy" has nothing to do with it. It was an exercise in raw power.

The North simply attacked the South because they meant to impose their will in the other's lands.

29 posted on 06/20/2018 9:07:33 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
Except the motive to lie about something is more powerful for the people who stole the money than those who lost it.

One could argue it's the losers who have more of a motive to lie in order to justify their futile cause and the hundreds of thousands of deaths that they are responsible for. But unlike you I'm not looking at this from the losers Confederate standpoint.

30 posted on 06/20/2018 9:28:58 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DiogenesLamp
I’m not going to indulge your childish “they did it too!” argument.

That's fine with me. I'll leave you be to indulge in your other childish arguments.

31 posted on 06/20/2018 9:31:06 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DiogenesLamp

And they were successful at it.


32 posted on 06/20/2018 9:37:40 AM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: DoodleDawg
One could argue it's the losers who have more of a motive to lie in order to justify their futile cause and the hundreds of thousands of deaths that they are responsible for.

And yet who is standing their holding the loot? Where is the money?

33 posted on 06/20/2018 10:58:23 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DoodleDawg

Without your participation, there aren’t any childish arguments in which I indulge.


34 posted on 06/20/2018 10:59:36 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Bull Snipe
Yes, they've had a much better run than the Nazis, but lately with all this swamp draining going on, they may finally be brought to an account for their actions.

The Washington/New York influence system is a corrupt cesspool that has been feeding off of the rest of the nation since the 1850s. Let us hope it is finally coming to it's Armageddon.

35 posted on 06/20/2018 11:02:10 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
Without your participation, there aren’t any childish arguments in which I indulge.

I may be your muse but the childish arguments are all yours.

36 posted on 06/20/2018 11:18:00 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DiogenesLamp
And yet who is standing their holding the loot? Where is the money?

To the victors go the spoils. To the initiator goes the blame. The South was responsible for all those deaths.

37 posted on 06/20/2018 11:19:13 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DiogenesLamp; jeffersondem

“Brown also learned much about Massachusetts’ mercantile elite; while he initially considered this knowledge a curse, it would prove to be a boon to his later activities in Kansas and at Harper’s Ferry. The business community had reacted with hesitation when Brown asked them to change their highly profitable practice of selling low-quality wool en masse at low prices. Initially, Brown naively trusted them, but soon realized that they were determined to maintain their control of price-setting.”


38 posted on 06/20/2018 11:26:57 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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"In the Ohio Cultivator, Brown and other wool growers complained that the Connecticut River Valley's farmers' tendencies were lowering all U.S. wool prices abroad. In reaction, Brown made a last-ditch effort to overcome the wool mercantile elite by seeking an alliance with European manufacturers. Ultimately, Brown was disappointed to learn that Europe preferred to buy Western Massachusetts wools en masse at the cheap prices they had been getting from them. Brown then traveled to England to seek a higher price for Springfield's wool. The trip was a disaster, as the firm incurred a loss of $40,000, of which Perkins bore the brunt. With this misfortune, the Perkins and Brown wool commission operation closed in Springfield in late 1849. Subsequent lawsuits tied up the partners for several more years."

"D@mn cotton farmers and their free labor!"

39 posted on 06/20/2018 11:28:54 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

Like the Nazis, they lost the war.


40 posted on 06/20/2018 11:38:05 AM PDT by Bull Snipe
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