Germany and France are secular government systems, which is what this thread addresses.
It has become ever clearer to me that a distinction must be made between “Europe” and the “European Union.”
One is a classical Christian civilization made up of many peoples and cultures with ancient roots and the other is “Soviet Union-lite” forged only a few decades ago based around hollow economic agreements.
“Europe” and the “European Union” are indeed two different things. So one can be for Europe and yet against the European Union.