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Should self driving cars be programmed to sacrifice their passengers? [snip]
dailymail.co.uk ^

Posted on 05/06/2018 8:14:51 PM PDT by BenLurkin

Self-driving vehicles have been proposed as a solution for the rapidly increasing number of fatal traffic accidents, which now claim a staggering 1.3 million casualties each year.

While we have made strides in advancing self-driving technology, we have yet to explore at length how autonomous vehicles will be programmed to deal with situations that endanger human life, according to a new study published in Frontiers in Behavioral Neuroscience.

To understand how self-driving cars might make these judgments, the researchers looked at how humans deal with similar driving dilemmas.

When faced with driving dilemmas, people show a high willingness to sacrifice themselves for others, make decisions based on the victim's age and swerve onto sidewalks to minimize the number of lives lost.

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Automated vehicles will eventually outperform their human counterparts, but there will still be circumstances where the cars must make an ethical decision to save or possibly risk losing a human life.

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Bergmann recognized that the majority of people would not approve of decisions the cars made if they followed the ethics commission decisions.

'If autonomous vehicles abide with guidelines dictated by the ethics commission, our experimental evidence suggests that people would not be happy with the decisions their cars make for them."

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TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: cars; selfdrivingcars
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To: BenLurkin

Who is demanding we be herded into self driving cars anyway? I don’t want one. Don’t know anybody that does.


21 posted on 05/06/2018 9:18:19 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: b4me

I do the same thing in the San Rafael Ca. area. When I see that ‘spinning mixing bowl’ gadget on top of the car, or something like it, I keep my distance. It’s sort of like when a car is labeled with “STUDENT DRIVER” as a fair warning to all. In the future, these little kinks and peculiar habits should be smoothed out. One presumes.


22 posted on 05/06/2018 9:18:34 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: ClearCase_guy

I would never let a computer drive me
Screw that
I’ve driven about 1.5 million miles and have avoided many crashes with lightning instincts or in the case of deer and vermin sometimes not doing anything and letting thrm try and figure it out
This self driving crap is a complete disaster in the making


23 posted on 05/06/2018 9:24:14 PM PDT by Truthoverpower (The guvmint you get is the Trump winning express !)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
How do they know to stop for traffic lights and stop signs?

Imagine the hilarity with self driving cars that require all sorts of wireless input from outside.

Then, imagine a massive power failure.

Might be almost as good as watching iPhag zombies when they cannot get a connection.

Almost like watching headless chickens?

24 posted on 05/06/2018 9:35:28 PM PDT by doorgunner69 (Give me the liberty to take care of my own security..........)
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To: lee martell
A bright blue, blinking light on top to alert all that it is a robot.

Sort of like facial piercings, weird earlobe stretching hardware, etc. Alerts us to the presence of insane liberals.

25 posted on 05/06/2018 9:40:17 PM PDT by doorgunner69 (Give me the liberty to take care of my own security..........)
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To: doorgunner69

Fantastic Idea!

Blue could be mistaken for an emergency vehicle. Orange might work. It would need one of those loud irritating backup beepers like the cement trucks have whenever it is in motion, it should be loudest inside the passenger compartment.

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26 posted on 05/06/2018 9:50:07 PM PDT by infool7 (Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
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To: infool7
All for it, along with iPhag zombies, who we have all laughed at crashing into stuff.

We need an alert when one of them is shambling toward us.

27 posted on 05/06/2018 9:56:53 PM PDT by doorgunner69 (Give me the liberty to take care of my own security..........)
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To: BenLurkin
"the rapidly increasing number of fatal traffic accidents"

If I'm not mistaken, the number of US car fatalities has been pretty stable for quite awhile - between 30,000 and 34,000 a year. That's still a big problem, but it's not "rapidly increasing." Maybe other countries aren't seeing the same pattern.
28 posted on 05/06/2018 10:00:18 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Dilbert San Diego
"I’m sure the engineers and programmers have thought of these things, but, will the self driving cars really react better than humans would to unusual situations?"

Maybe I'm just an old crud, but I can't imagine turning over control of my car to a computer. As you say, it's difficult to see how engineers could program cars for every real-life situation.
29 posted on 05/06/2018 10:04:17 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: BenLurkin

I can’t help but suspect that there is some hidden agenda behind this push for “self-driving” cars. One possibility: to price the average person out of the car market, thereby pushing them on to public transportation.


30 posted on 05/06/2018 10:09:58 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: b4me
So should a self driving car be allowed to transport an “owner” that is behind on payments?

Should it check the DMV and carry someone with an outstanding warrant directly to a police station? Felony or misdemeanor?

What if the passenger in under the influence of something illegal?

What if the passenger has a medical condition that requires a trip to the emergency room?

What if their health insurance just lapsed?

What if a passenger requests a trip to somewhere that is near a person with a restraint order?

What if a passenger wants to get to a destination but can't, since it is too near a school zone and pax is prohibited from being within xx feet of a school?

What if any of the above scenarios is false, or deliberate misinformation, or just a screw up?

Lots to think about.

31 posted on 05/06/2018 10:14:17 PM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: Don Corleone

No. Opposite.

The libs will pass laws requiring yu to by the car. They will have the cars that don’t sacrifice them.


32 posted on 05/06/2018 10:58:54 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: central_va
Coming soon a new Toyota model: The Kamikaze!


No, I will not buy the Kamakaze, nor the Harakiri!
33 posted on 05/06/2018 11:47:25 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The MSM is the enemy of the American people)
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To: BenLurkin
Self driving cars is like combing our hair with rayguns: over complicated tech BS that no-one wants except silicon valley idiots who are marketing this garbage.

And is a risk of catastrophic failure due to excess complexity.


34 posted on 05/07/2018 12:10:53 AM PDT by Reverend Wright (I am a Putin bot and I approve this message.)
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To: Innovative

Which is why they want to mandate them.


35 posted on 05/07/2018 12:18:40 AM PDT by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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To: doorgunner69

Elevators seem to work alright. Perhaps we can get Auto-(in)Correct working first, then we can set our sights a bit higher on say grocery checking and bagging robots or automated gas pumps.

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36 posted on 05/07/2018 2:39:20 AM PDT by infool7 (Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
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To: DakotaGator
The practical problem is even worse; self driving cars can and will be taken over at any time by government or even more sinister forces.

When self driving cars are mandated, liberty ends.

Yes, that's exactly the problem. What's remarkable is the number of so-called "conservatives" and "libertarians" that fail to recognize this possibility, or the likelihood that it will happen. Remarkably, one FReeper actually used the infamous words "it can't happen here" to dismiss this concern. Considering that virtually every computing device sold to the public has a government-accessible back door, does anyone really think that self-driving cars won't also have back doors?

But unlike your computer and/or phone, the intrusion port won't even be hidden. Who could possibly object to giving the police the ability to stop cars being used by terrorists or other criminals?

Inter-car connectivity (V2V) is already called for in government regulations (temporarily on hold thanks to Trump). Full autonomy requires this.

37 posted on 05/07/2018 3:11:26 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Hillary: Go to jail. Go directly to jail. Do not pass GO. Do not collect 2 billion dollars.)
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To: BenLurkin
SELF-DRIVING CARS WILL KILL PEOPLE. WHO DECIDES WHO DIES?
38 posted on 05/07/2018 3:14:00 AM PDT by mewzilla (Has the FBI been spying on members of Congress?)
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To: Captain Compassion

That’s all fine and dandy until your Corolla’s positronic brain freezes and you get the worst of all outcomes, you die, everyone else dies, your car’s brain fizzles and burns.


39 posted on 05/07/2018 3:18:37 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (In God We Trust, In Trump We MAGA)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Imagine Get-there-itis permantly nailed high with passengers just along for the (wild) ride.

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40 posted on 05/07/2018 3:27:40 AM PDT by infool7 (Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
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