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To: rb22982
...No, that can put the home upside down, but as long as borrower can easily afford the monthly payments, its not a problem. Where we/you/people run into issues with these loan down loans is they also tend to have lower credit and are not very much able to afford the payment....

Where your reasoning falls apart is in the fact that there is a certain amount of inevitable turnover in the housing market. Job loss, illness, death in the family, divorce, etc. There are many reasons why a family may have to move and sell their house.

If they are upside down they lose everything.

A long enough period of this feeds on itself, depressing home prices for years and leading to ruin for many well-intentioned families.

3% down is ridiculous.

As a real estate investor, I have taken advantage of the dips to buy properties and can now withstand and even profit from the crashes that always follow this kind of program, but I will confess I am a fat cat getting fatter.

19 posted on 04/28/2018 11:11:30 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: CurlyDave
That is true whether or not they have 3% in the game, 5%, 10% or even 20% (most live paycheck to paycheck). In fact, there are several scenarios where 3% down is better than 10 or 20%.

For example, let's say a family is currently making $75,000 a year, or $60,000 a year after taxes. They've saved up $55k and are looking to buy a home that's around $250k. They will buy about $5k worth of housing items after closing on the house.

Option 1: They put 20% down ($50k), combined with the $5k home furnishings have no savings and their monthly payment is around $1,350/mo all in assuming 4.375% 30 yr fixed, $3500 property tax and $750/yr in insurance. A big recession hits, home values drop 20% and main breadwinner losers their job so their income is $25k/yr, they have no equity and they can't afford the monthly payments.

Option 2: They put 3% down, and with PMI, their payments are about $300/month higher. Same recession hits. They are upside down and still are cash flowing negative, but they have $42,500 left, which would by itself cover around 2 years of mortgage payments, while the main breadwinner looks for a job.

I completely agree on average a low downpayment loan is more risky but there are scenarios where it makes sense.

20 posted on 04/29/2018 4:14:17 AM PDT by rb22982
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To: CurlyDave

FWIW - the scenario I gave isn’t exactly like my scenario 10 years ago but pretty close, although our income was even higher and neither my wife nor I lost our jobs (and we had ~800 fico scores then and now). Today I own 6 houses/townhomes, including my primary.


22 posted on 04/29/2018 4:18:30 AM PDT by rb22982
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