I am sure the manipulators will have hard time explaining themselves some day. But in these big criminal enterprises, everyone has their job. They only know their job and not how it relates to the whole. That way it's harder to flip.
But, good news! Rudy knows all of this plus more. :)
YUP.
I think what I was trying to remember was ...
Some people use people and love things.
Others love people and use things.